Audiobus on December 10th!!!

edited January 2013 in General
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  • edited 1:19PM
    Hopefully Audiobus integration in BM2 is just around the corner.

    Not long ago, one of the Audiobus developers posted a demo video and he was using Audiobus with BM2, so hopefully Intua has testing builds already.

    Audiobus support is being to be the new make-or-break feature for iOS audio apps, just like audio copy and paste has been up till now.
  • Intua,

    Can you give us an update on the Audiobus development, and incorporating audiobus into BM2. Thanks!
  • edited 1:19PM
    I'm so stoked for this app. We have all been waiting for this and if bm2 isn't in on this and we still have to copy paste.im gonna be mad
  • edited 1:19PM
    Sorry to double post. I just got a email back from audiobus. I asked them about beatmaker 2 and they sent this back.


    Hi,

    No, Beatmaker won't support Audiobus at launch. While we've been working together with the Beatmaker developers and already had a working beta version of it, at some point they simply stopped responding to our mails or messages. We don't know what's going on with them. Maybe you can reach them.

    Sorry,

    Sebastian
    --
    Sebastian Dittmann





    This totally sucks, but I'll never leave beatmaker
  • edited 1:19PM
    Sorry to double post. I just got a email back from audiobus. I asked them about beatmaker 2 and they sent this back.


    Hi,

    No, Beatmaker won't support Audiobus at launch. While we've been working together with the Beatmaker developers and already had a working beta version of it, at some point they simply stopped responding to our mails or messages. We don't know what's going on with them. Maybe you can reach them.

    Sorry,

    Sebastian

    Wow, that's really very unfortunate. I hope Mathieu or Vincent from Intua will comment on the situation very soon, because while I really like BM2's features, cooperation between iOS audio devs is what's allowing something as great as Audiobus to change iOS music making for the better, and if Intua isn't as dedicated as the other devs, I'll drop BM2 for Funkbox and Multitrack DAW. Transitioning from BM2 to those apps wouldn't be painless, but I'd like to know I'm using apps by devs who are actively engaged with the user and dev communities.
  • edited 1:19PM
    I also hope my software of choice these days will integrate audiobus- I remember seeing the demo on the audiobus page.
    Hopefully Intua is all holed up in the lab working on this and maybe BM3... And hopefully NOT busy turning BM2 into an ableton clone <!-- s:evil: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_evil.gif" alt=":evil:" title="Evil or Very Mad" /><!-- s:evil: -->
  • Hi,

    This is very dissappointing. I thought this was going to be one of the core apps that will will integrate with AudioBus.

    What's more scary is the lack of response, according the Audiobus team, that makes me worry and concerned that BM2 does not plan to work with them in the future either????

    Intua, please reply
  • edited 1:19PM
    ok, so i just registered now for only this thread. before i start criticizing, lemme give credit where credit is due. beatmaker is amazing. its because of you guys that i even purchased an iphone. You guys are geniuses for making a portable mpc in a phone.

    Now with that being said, in regards to audiobus, wtf??? this is the greatest thing to happen to the iphone for musicians and you guys arent ready yet? im hoping theres a big mistake or miscommunication because if you guys did stop working on it, im gonna have to look for a subpar tool to intua but if it works with audiobus, then it ultimately helps me, my friends and associates make music as opposed to just having a toy that i can mess around with.

    i beg you guys not to let this drop. you guys are too talented but audiobus opens up a while world of possibilities. hire a temp or something i you guys are understaffed. this is seriously important. check out audiobus's facebook page. there are tons of ppl complaining why bm2 isnt on the list.

    thanks
  • edited 1:19PM
    what are intua beatmaker alternatives?? just in case they dont plan on supporting audiobus?
  • edited 1:19PM
    Sorry to double post. I just got a email back from audiobus. I asked them about beatmaker 2 and they sent this back.


    Hi,

    No, Beatmaker won't support Audiobus at launch. While we've been working together with the Beatmaker developers and already had a working beta version of it, at some point they simply stopped responding to our mails or messages. We don't know what's going on with them. Maybe you can reach them.

    Sorry,

    Sebastian

    Wow, that's really very unfortunate. I hope Mathieu or Vincent from Intua will comment on the situation very soon, because while I really like BM2's features, cooperation between iOS audio devs is what's allowing something as great as Audiobus to change iOS music making for the better, and if Intua isn't as dedicated as the other devs, I'll drop BM2 for Funkbox and Multitrack DAW. Transitioning from BM2 to those apps wouldn't be painless, but I'd like to know I'm using apps by devs who are actively engaged with the user and dev communities.

    How does funkbox compare with bm2? Can you load samples, edit and timestretch?
  • edited 1:19PM
    There are none even close that I know of, if we are talking sample based solutions.

    I would just have to put my faith (and patience) back into REASON...
    Speaking of reason, they created Rewire, which every daw implements nowadays. Time to get on the audiobus if we want iOS music making to progress
  • edited 1:19PM
    Please Beatmaker, support Audiobus, we need you, we hope for you !!!!
  • edited 1:19PM
    Here are your options.

    Funkbox (input slot)
    JamUp XT (effects slot)
    JamUp Pro XT (effects slot)
    Loopy (input and output slot)
    Loopy HD (input and output slot)
    MultiTrack DAW (output slot)
    NLog MIDI Synth (input, effects and output slot)
    NLog Synth PRO (input, effects and output slot)
    Rebirth for iPad (input slot)
    SoundPrism Pro (input slot)
    Sunrizer Synth for iPad (input slot)
  • edited 1:19PM
    I also hope my software of choice these days will integrate audiobus- I remember seeing the demo on the audiobus page.
    Hopefully Intua is all holed up in the lab working on this and maybe BM3... And hopefully NOT busy turning BM2 into an ableton clone <!-- s:evil: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_evil.gif" alt=":evil:" title="Evil or Very Mad" /><!-- s:evil: -->


    Many would like to see some features Ableton makes use of in Beatmaker 2.x or Beatmaker 3 for live work, what is it that you DON'T want to see incorporated that is similar to Ableton?

    To me, BM 2 is used for live work and I would hate to see it turn into an Auria or Multitrack DAW or Meteor clone (or any other tedious boring multi tracking software for that matter). If it crosses the bridges between live options and studio only recording, then it is great. I've used Cubase, Nuendo, Sonar, Cakewalk before Sonar, Acid Pro, FL Studio, Logic, etc and nothing comes close to Ableton for bridging the gap between a DAW and an application you can just play except for BM 2 on the ipad. Until you go hardware units that is. Well, maybe Maschine or new MPC studio or Renaissance. These types of software offer more to a wider audience.

    Didn't like Ableton?
  • edited 1:19PM
    audiobus is quite worthless for me until Intua jumps in.

    And i dont want an Ableton clone as well,just saying... <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->
  • edited 1:19PM
    WOW, that's a hit in my face! Ok it's easy, no Audiobus support (or similar) - no Beatmaker!


    Hi,

    No, Beatmaker won't support Audiobus at launch. While we've been working together with the Beatmaker developers and already had a working beta version of it, at some point they simply stopped responding to our mails or messages. We don't know what's going on with them. Maybe you can reach them.

    Sorry,

    Sebastian
    Honestly, is someone surprised about this ignorance of Intua?
    I think everyone who already tried to contact Intua, because of questions, or in terms of other help... should know that they ignore you - also if you try to help with bug reports!

    But that they also ignore the developers with which they like(d) to cooperate...
    I'm speachless about that behaviour. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->
  • edited 1:19PM
    audiobus is quite worthless for me until Intua jumps in.

    And i dont want an Ableton clone as well,just saying... <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->

    So define Ableton clone then.

    Are you guys looking for an MPC clone?

    I think BM 2.x or 3 can have features that are liked from many applications. Doesn't have to be a clone of anything, but I don't understand the generalizations without the statements of specifics of what you don't want to see.
  • edited 1:19PM
    And for the record, I seriously hope Beatmaker jumps on board with audiobus. It is to the benefit of all of us musicians to have apps that are not islands unto themselves and will allow us to get more out of our favorites.

    <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->
  • edited 1:19PM

    1.So define Ableton clone then.

    2.Are you guys looking for an MPC clone?

    3.i think BM 2.x or 3 can have features that are liked from many applications. Doesn't have to be a clone of anything, but I don't understand the generalizations without the statements of specifics of what you don't want to see.

    1.i'm coming from cubase atari and worked with Cubase,Nunedo and - since i switched to mac a while ago - Logic.In fact Beatmakers Midi editor/arrange window is quite similar (though its still not perfect of course)and supports the workflow that i acquired the last 20 years.I like that.It gives me most flexibility over my arrangement.Therefore i dont like that "clipthing"in ableton very much.

    2.of course not.

    3.Look at point one.And:Beatmaker currently is MILES away from anything thats related to Ableton so i dont get the point of request all this new features/changes until we have a finished/polished version of the current Beatmaker.I.e.Audiotrax are quite new if you remember and still need some help.Next we need better and more flexible effects IMO.I would like to do final mixes as well so i dont have to export track by track to mix/arrange it somewhere else.As far as i can see,intua is thinking quite similar.I cant see anything bad in the word "DAW" as all the competitors still lacking a LOT of functionality beatmaker already has.Auria could be THE thing someday...but for now i cant use it because the editor is just too sluggish for my taste.i'm doing a lot of smaller edits in the project window (something that wasnt possible for years in ableton,though i don't know what the current situation is) and its just not a pleasure to do it in the current version of auria.And now with the ipad 4....i dont think they will ever improve it for"older"devices.Not to mention the missing midi editor.And Beatmaker just performs great on an ipad 2.

    And Multitrack DAW?Well,thats just a better recorder.Too many common features missing to work serious with it (at least for my taste).

    Meteor:only 12 tracks.

    Music studio:looks so ugly...i'm getting sick of it.
  • edited 1:19PM
    audiobus is quite worthless for me until Intua jumps in.

    And i dont want an Ableton clone as well,just saying... <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->

    So define Ableton clone then.

    Are you guys looking for an MPC clone?

    I think BM 2.x or 3 can have features that are liked from many applications. Doesn't have to be a clone of anything, but I don't understand the generalizations without the statements of specifics of what you don't want to see.

    Not hating on ableton at all- I've used it over the years as well. I just don't care for the "preset" feeling of triggering clips that are always in time no matter the skill of the user. No rhythmic input from the user bores me, and I feel that the "press play" generation of live "performers" is over rated. That's just me.

    It's no secret that bm2 is a mpc clone, and in many ways is better. Rocking the akai mpd32 over here, and using it with bm2 is mpc style heaven!

    We can all agree that we as bm2 users require audiobus implementation, though, and that's the story I am sticking to.
  • edited 1:19PM
    Ahhh, that's where you have options. You can make a clip behavior do the same as beatmaker if you want, but not vice-versa. Options are good and during a live show your audience doesn't want to hear your fumbles that can happen to anyone. The reverse is true also of instant quantization. You might hit that pad and wish it played a hair off instead of waiting the beat before playing, so options are good. Just watched the videos of Audiobus routing to loopy with Sunrizer and the one in multitrack DAW and it was really really cool. We need this Audiobus support!
  • I can care less about Nanostudio, but BM2 not being on board is really dissappointing. Seriuously, can you give us a reply and explain the decision?
  • edited 1:19PM
    Ahhh, that's where you have options. You can make a clip behavior do the same as beatmaker if you want, but not vice-versa. Options are good and during a live show your audience doesn't want to hear your fumbles that can happen to anyone. The reverse is true also of instant quantization. You might hit that pad and wish it played a hair off instead of waiting the beat before playing, so options are good. Just watched the videos of Audiobus routing to loopy with Sunrizer and the one in multitrack DAW and it was really really cool. We need this Audiobus support!


    by the way,there might be another difference:i dont see beatmaker primary as a live tool.More like a portable studio replacement.Yes,i use the drumsampler all the time to create beats on the fly but thats not how i would play live in club.My music is difficult to"reproduce"that way.Though not impossible.Just...different <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

    its true that i would need more something like ableton for my music.but then focus should be on"firing clips".Looptastic HD seems like an"ableton for poor people"for example.Anyway,we all have different needs,hard enough for any developer to filter this out <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->

    But we all have one thing in common:we want audiobus <!-- s8-) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8-)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8-) -->

    I dont think intua is ignoring this.maybe they just have a lot to do with the 2.4.1 update.My guess is they just cant deliver audiobus integration at launch but i'm sure we dont have to wait too long.Remember the pictures with Audiobus and beatmaker...it just doen't make sense to give it up now.I can imagine the intua people are not less excited as we are.Ah yeah,an optimistic day i have...
  • I am fine with it not being released at launch, but I would imagine that they would want to do it sometime soon. What the Audiobus developer said kind of scared me, and the lack of response from Intua is scary too.

    I have to say, as of late, Intua has been responding well, so no response on this yet - is worrysome.

    I just want an update. Are you or are you not going to support audiobus, if so, when?
  • edited 1:19PM
    Well, I'm sure, it will be implemented sooner or later. BM is one of THE central apps, that are destined for audiobus, so I'm sure the devs won't wanna miss that chance.

    And: now, that audiobus is out some people threaten not to use BM anymore, if not implemented NOW, that's funny. What, if the news were, audiobus is released in March 2013? <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->
    Come on, we wouldn't use BM, if it wasn't good now and it isn't worse, just because audiobus is not promised to be implemented now.

    Another thing is, that we do not have enough insight to 'internals' between intua and the makers of audiobus to judge the situation fairly. And things can change a lot within some days. So I propose, we are patient.

    Maybe they have other things to do now or are not yet satisfied with conditions from the makers of audiobus - I have no info about that, so this is not an assumption, but just an example for ANYTHING, we might not have enough info about...

    Taken together, I am sure, it will be implemented.

    Btw: imho, it is not very professional of the audiobus people to tell anybody about, how business conversations ran with some particular partner, when asked.
  • edited 1:19PM
    Sorry Voglio, your post doesnt do it for me. It's the year 2012, this is the age of instant communication and immediacy. Hell, you're on an internet forum. We have every right to voice our demand for feature requests. Its up to the BM devs whether they choose to respond to their market demands or not. thats the free market. You've got an iphone because google phone, blackberry or your laptop obviously didnt provide the solution to your needs, apple did. I love the mpc2000 and 1000 but its too expensive and you cant haul it around on a bus, so guess what? Intua provided a great solution to my needs. The options that audiobus present now present me with additional needs, its now up to whichever company can provide a solution to those needs that will win in this business.

    as to audiobus talking about their dealings, it was an honest reply to someone who contacted them. they didnt post this on their facebook or website, jeez. youre taking it out of context. some fine citizen posted it for our benefit and im thankful they did. If you have ever used Yelp or any website that provides reviews, thats is a weak comment to make because it is those sorts of transparent information that benefit consumers and reward companies who listen to their customer needs.

    So back to the original topic, can somebody respond if audiobus will be supported? If it will be next year, fine, but dont leave us hanging with blue balls.,,
  • edited 1:19PM
    Maybe it already works...

    http://discchord.com/blog/2012/9/21/beatmaker-2-supports-audiobus.html

    fun, as far as "transparency" etc goes, have you emailed Intua directly? Or is it more effective spitting venom on their forum? Has anyone questioned why Audiobus is $10? More costly than most apps we would use it for, and 1/2 as much as BM2 itself? Lets be fair here...

    Keep it civil.
  • Hey Discoface,

    Have you read the whole thread? IT IS NOT SUPPORTED. That's why we are all upset, because it was supposed to be initially (as you show in your outdated article). Regarding contacting INTUA, this is the forum to do so, so, as consumers, we have chosen to do so. Over three days of asking "what's up?," and still no response.

    Like I said earlier, they have been pretty responsive, as of late, on the forums. So the lack of response is what is upsetting users (as well as the bad news - but we want confirmation that it will, or will not, be supported at some time in the near future).

    We all love BM2, but at the same time, Audiobus is supposed to "revolutinize" the way music is recorded, or played on iOS.

    Yea - its worth 10 bucks, if not more. The same about BM2, and I would gladly pay for an upgrade that incorporated audiobus.
  • edited 1:19PM
    Thanks for the clarification and insulting tone.
    Yeah I read the thread, I started it. It wasn't meant to be a bitch-fest.

    If you've spent any time here at all, you'd know that Intua stop by every once and a while, and answer all pertinent questions as best they can. They do not respond 24/7.
    My point concerning the 2 1/2 month old post was that as of sept 21 of this year it worked. according to the audiobus guys it takes about a day to implement, so why get all worked up over something that will most likely be included very soon?
  • edited 1:19PM
    The Intua guys have a long history of poor communications. For all we know, Audiobus is already implemented in BM2 and Intua just hasn't said a damn thing for whatever reason.

    Maybe Discchord's old post was on the money, and when BM 2.4.1 gets released, lo and behold, there's Audiobus support, with no pomp or pageantry.

    Let's just chill till 2.4.1 is released.
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