Beatmaker 2.4 feature requests.
With a touchable surface old school lookin control is obsolete...
How about a new reverb (obviously 8 tracks at a time is NOT a ios limit...auria can do 18+). Auria also does 48 24 bit tracks with effects plugs and a ...yes, you guessed it...convolution reverb! I think its time to re-invent the effects of beatmaker, intua.
After the upcoming 2.3 update, seems the right path is the effects.
Ideas I have had that I feel other and myself would benefit from.
A new convolution reverb, with a user supplied i.r. (impulse response). This could be made to not onlymodel reverbs, but other devices such as space echoes, amp cabinets, and about anything else you could sample! AWESOME STUFF!
A new eq with switchable views, old fashioned sliders, or psp style proQ type interface with more than 3 bands
A rhythmic gater that can effect volume or other effects?
A more advanced filter (notch, ladder, bandpass, lp48,32,24, hp, comb...etc)
A multitap delay.... <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->))))
Distortion ! Amp sim etc
Limiter (brickwall) on output
Vocoder? Autotuner? Anything?
###importantestest one....simulation of old boxes such as sp1200, mpc60, eps, asr10, mpc2000! And yes, this is a badass feature!
As far as the sampling in beatmaker2 i think you need realtime formant/pitch/time shifting on the keyboard...and pad resample to pad on the drum machine sampler...
If you add any or all of this your app is only going to compete with the most expensive of hard/software... Make the effects in app purchases...i'll buy them <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->!
How about a new reverb (obviously 8 tracks at a time is NOT a ios limit...auria can do 18+). Auria also does 48 24 bit tracks with effects plugs and a ...yes, you guessed it...convolution reverb! I think its time to re-invent the effects of beatmaker, intua.
After the upcoming 2.3 update, seems the right path is the effects.
Ideas I have had that I feel other and myself would benefit from.
A new convolution reverb, with a user supplied i.r. (impulse response). This could be made to not onlymodel reverbs, but other devices such as space echoes, amp cabinets, and about anything else you could sample! AWESOME STUFF!
A new eq with switchable views, old fashioned sliders, or psp style proQ type interface with more than 3 bands
A rhythmic gater that can effect volume or other effects?
A more advanced filter (notch, ladder, bandpass, lp48,32,24, hp, comb...etc)
A multitap delay.... <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->))))
Distortion ! Amp sim etc
Limiter (brickwall) on output
Vocoder? Autotuner? Anything?
###importantestest one....simulation of old boxes such as sp1200, mpc60, eps, asr10, mpc2000! And yes, this is a badass feature!
As far as the sampling in beatmaker2 i think you need realtime formant/pitch/time shifting on the keyboard...and pad resample to pad on the drum machine sampler...
If you add any or all of this your app is only going to compete with the most expensive of hard/software... Make the effects in app purchases...i'll buy them <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->!
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As it can do whole cabinet, distortion, type stuff
Situation modeling i.e. delay boxes...The sounds of other boxes ...oh what a wonderful addition!
I would also like to see a ringmodulator effect, and a stepsequencer on the gater, panner, and filter...with32 steps!
if you wanted to buildthe p32 space modulator...add spectral audio removal tech to the sample editor...oh the mad scientists would swoon...lol
Tabletop is not deep at all... Tabletop doesnt have sequence edit yuck!
Its a shame, i have purchased all of tabletop, and i erased it and it cost me so much more than beatmaker2!
Intua, you are poised to be number one! Without reason coming to ipad...you can easily dominate the whole show...
You should have been charging in app the whole time IMHO! Maybe the extra money will speed things up in there?
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If you add the features people request and update regular, i will hit your tipcup
Money talks, bs walks
Nice day to you all
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I bought a lot of Tabletop's devices and think it's a really great app. The lack of sequence editing can be a pain, but it aims to emulate an oldschool hardware experience—there weren't any pianorolls back then!
I do prefer BeatMaker 2, though. Intua's done a great job keeping it updated. They've carved out a good position for themselves with the #1 sample based production app for mobile devices. The lack of an in-app synth isn't an issue—there are plenty of synth apps you can sample and bring into BM2.
I've said before, Intua should consider partnering with a talented sample pack company to offer high quality samples as in-app purchases.
Its great for making a bunch of synth sounds and noises for sure but yeah... sequencing a sample based beat would be a bit of a nightmare. I just mentioned Tabletop from the in app purchase side of things (i bought all of the effects etc. and would likely do the same with Intua's)
###keep in mind that tabletop doesnt sound like old school hardware as well...which kinda mutes your point at the very beginning.
if you are happy with not being able to correct one off note, thats you...I am not happy with that for 30-40 bucks app cost...
besides alot of the machines (old gear) would have at least have list editing of midi data.
i erased it...i dont care... maybe if they give it a worthy update and give it modern conveniences, then hey i'll dl it back...but for now tabletop is like a really pitiful reason app
native synthstation 25/49 support like in nanostudio. this is much more important than the fx-stuff!
This is really a must.What do you think?
Really now? Smh...
Why so? Explain...
But I really dont think it outweighs the requests of others.
As only a small percentage of folks using beatmaker2 may be using that controller.
Where as everybody using beatmaker2 would benefit from new, better effects.
because the majority of the synthtation users dont buy/use BM2. The use nanostudio instead..
Maybe BM2 sells better on the ipad -plattform, but they surely would gain ipod/iphone customers with proper synthstation integration. Iphone/ipod-users dont have the big choice of midi controllers like the ipad people..
You need to email support @ akai and request that they make THEIR DEVICE core midicompliant, especially since it represents itself as a controller specifically for an idevice. It is not the responsibility of the devs of any app to make their app compatible with the insane number of controllers popping out everywhere...instead it is in the best interest of the hardware manufacturer (especially one that is aimed at apple products completely) to make their device function properly with all things app related...this can be done by becoming core midi compliant!
Why do you think this is an intua issue? I believe coremidi is the standard now isnt it?
I think it is now the responsibility of Akai...and good luck with that...akai has always been a stinker company thus far in my opinion...in fact if it werent for hiphop culture, roger linn, and a pirate os called jj os....akai would have been dead already!
Hi, I'm the developer of MidiBridge and I can say with almost 100% surety that Apple will probably never add support for the SS25 to GarageBand. It's a different kettle of fish from CoreMIDI and is not in their interest to support devices with proprietary SDKs like the SS25 and original Line6 Midi Mobilizer. For now, the only option to connect an SS25 to GarageBand is MidiBridge.
About the price - I do realise that in this world of free and 99cent apps, the price would be on the high side but in my defense I'd say that the number of apps I'm ever going to sell (and this is my day-job) is limited compared to say a game, and in order to make this viable and allow me to continue producing apps and feeding my 3 screaming kids I have to set what I think is a fair price. In real life, is nine bucks too much to pay to breathe life into your SS25 to connect it to GarageBand, other CoreMIDI apps and wireless MIDI?
Also, the size of an app is no indication of its worthiness! I spent a lot of time creating the most efficient app and smallest size that I could. With an app like MidiBridge, the smaller the better!
I'm willing to answer any questions/respond to comments here, so fire away. I've recently written a guide to understanding MidiBridge which many MidiBridge users have found helpful. You can find it at our website here: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.audeonic.com/mb_guide.shtml">http://www.audeonic.com/mb_guide.shtml</a><!-- m -->
Thanks for mentioning MidiBridge as a solution in this thread.
Regards, Nic from Audeonic Apps (Dublin, Ireland)
Its 9 bucks...in all fairness i believe this is your only solution...as devs arent going to be concerned with rewriting all their code for a misrepresented piece of hardware, whose comapny apparently shouldnt be developing apps at this time! Also, if there are any folks looking to develop...Akai Pro is hiring! This isnt a joke.
Miidi bridge is i think a good app but i only have a 3gs and the less apps are running. The better.
I agree that synthstation should have core midi but it has been developed in a tine where there was no core midi standard at all.
I will stay with nanostudio i think..
Convolution reverbs and such have a fairly high tax on the system. Lots of CPU needed.
We haven't even seen or used the Auria DAW yet. Beatmaker would take an entire rewrite to get VST-like support. I'm betting the Auria DAW will most likely be only for iPad 2+, even in the demo you can see that it isn't smooth yet - I wouldn't give up the smoothness of BM2 for some convo reverbs.
I agree that effects need to be the next thing to be worked on. Filters, EQ, Compressor are main ones that need to be re-done. I'd even be willing to pay a couple dollars if it meant each one was more usable (similar to good, free VSTs)
Effects could probably be reworked completely, combining different units. Like just have a 'distortion' effect, but have A B C D kinds of distortion plus bit crusher. A good interface would be soundtoys decapitator...obviously not directly copying it <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->
I like the current reverb but a more 'character' version would be nice, with spring-type sounds etc.
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And all of this Auria talk is unnecessary. I'm sure it'll be great but it's a different kind of app than BeatMaker 2. BM2 is an app that almost anyone can get into. Auria is for a more "pro" market—experienced musicians who want fine grained control over their production.
Also, consider that Auria's initial release price will be $49.99 and will most likely double afterward. BM2 has never cost more than $19.99.
And just to be clear--- there are delusional fanboys for every DAW, auria is no exception. For example there is one gentleman who commented on their Facebook site about how he couldnt wait to "master" his new cd in auria....
Wait until its released and their forum lights up like an Xmas tree with people who don't understand why a $50 app can't make them sound professional..
First impressions.. WIST support--- cheeyuh
Looks a little crude, but it was rushed anyways...
Running iPad 3- runs hot as hell of course
Many more great features, but more later...
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If you ask me, Auria and BM2 go hand in hand now...
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Yeah it's got a cool freeze function!
Make no mistake- this is a multitrack daw (think recorder mixer fx) and that's it.. It does not replace (nor is it meant to replace) Live, Reason, or even BM2. What it does do (and does pretty well from what I can tell so far) is raise a broken beer bottle up the the sad face of protools (le at least)... And that makes me happy in light of their crazy expensive upgrade paths nowadays. Auria has many features that protools STILL doesn't have!!!
So now the beats get made in BM2, and to Auria for general editing etc, and then (maybe... I still love my 002 hardware faders etc) to protools 8.0.5 le for final mix.
it's the only thing i'm missing in bm2. i use beatmaker live with a nanopad2 and a continuous loop would greatly expand the possibilities of using bm2 as a complete live show kit.
Now that i have had several days time using auria on ipad...its painfully obvious that beatmaker2's effect units need a rethink. I know, i know, you guys dont need new effects because great new effects would somehow mess up your workflow...but having to export my audio to dozen of other apps to get consistant results is indeed a pain in the ars!
Page 2 effects should be way better...like these plugs...(these are all highly effective in creative instances)
DECIMORT (get that sp1200 sound, that ensoniq eps sound, etc)
FABFILTER SATURN (possibly one of the best effects ever made...for vocs, synth, and guitar)
SPACE DESIGNER (a very insanely good convo reverb...)
CAMEL SPACE (anybody that has used this knows the business)
FABFILTER PRO Q (try it in auria...then tell me intua has eq right...lol hardly)
FABFILTER GATE (gets noise out of samples and recordings)
DELAY DESIGNER (delay is one of the most important efx there is...get it right)
LOGICS RINGMODULATOR (get more sounds from your sounds? Anyone?)
AUTOTUNE (huge in hiphop and dance...now that you have audio tracks u need it)
PRO C (fabfilter) (the most important thing ever in my production)
PRO L (fabfilter) (with a good one i could finish a track in beatmaker, as of now...not likely)
IRIG or similar (with audio tracks you will need this and a tuner)
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Right now I dont understand your business model...
Beatmaker2 is not a recording solution, but yet you have added audio tracks? Yet every fanboy on your page swears that auria and beatmaker are two different things...yes, they are! Auria is a recording solution that is miles above anything available for idevices as of now! Good luck kicking its ass, btw, RIM is one hell of a dev! Then you guys argue hey beatmaker only costs 20 bucks verses auria at 185.00 total investment...but i own it as well! So what are you saying...because intua set a more than fair price, they should deliver a halfass product?
Look i also own nanostudio, which is developed by one guy, from which intua sampled the sequencer..lol. If nanostudio had a better drumsampler with a chop facilities...im sorry, it would pwn beatmaker...the sequencer has more features, it has a very capable synth, a good sound engine, and better effects...and it also has a fairprice...but, no slicing in the drum sampler...so...it is what it is.
Im very interested in the ability to stream samples, have multisamples in the sampler, a noise gate, and especially having some of the fixes in files, as well as directly moving sequence chunks...all sweeeeet! As usual it is free...<!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->. Intua is indeed a generous company! Hats off to you Intua!
As for BM2 gaining audio tracks—it's something that's been requested ever since the app came out. I imagine most users want it so they can put vocals over the songs they create in BM2 without exporting to a multitrack recording app first. Intua added it, but I doubt they see BM2 as a competitor in the multitrack recording space—it's a sample sequencer!
You keep talking up Auria, which isn't the same kind of app BM2 is. BM2 is an MPC+ROMpler+sequencer. Auria is a multitrack recorder. Also, yes, I would expect a lot more from an app that costs almost $200 total than an app that costs $20. I think BM2 is a steal for $20!
I bought NanoStudio too. It's a good app but I prefer BM2 due to its superior sample editing and pad options. Although the Eden synth is great, it fails miserably when it comes to using samples of other synths—no multisample instruments, and the single sample you can load into Eden is played back in mono. Terrible. File management in BM2 is also better. There are several ways to get samples and projects into BM2, whereas NS only has the NanoSync app. It's so much easier to keep my files in sync between devices thanks to BM2's Dropbox integration.
No offense MicGee$ but the tone of your posts just comes off as really negative. You're obviously an intelligent guy and have good suggestions, but you need to mellow out a bit.
Tone
Of posts?
Laughing out loud
I hope the effects get advanced...
They are still the Achilles heel of bm2.
I know that Auria is a daw...with fabfilter plug ins
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Auria is on ipad2 and has one of the best eqs period if not the best!
We got a three band dj eq that falls short in soundsculpting capabilities...ues beatmaker2 is a sampler. I need it to manipulate audio in more creative ways.