Hey, effects improvements would be nice and all, but I don't think they come cheap, as in price of the app, development costs and/or licensing fees. Do you think FabFilter stuff comes for free?
Personally, I'm happy the way things are headed once the update comes out. Not that I was complaining before, money truly well spent, even without any updates.
But I guess one app can't be everything for everybody. Unless you want to end up with clusterf..., ehm, monsters that are most mainstream DAWs.
Surely people can use 2 apps in tandem if one doesn't do it 100% to their liking? It's not like in happy happy laptopland you get one (1) unified GUI that functions the same for everything.
If there is a beatmaker2.4 and it has new effects...you guys shouldnt be allowed to update.
Bottom line.
Why you are so anti effects is just a mystery to me.
Why you dont want a sampler to have p/t/f manipulation escapes me...
The roland vsynth is one of the most badass samplers in existance...not the shitty mpc...
It has a processor that is completely inferior to the ipad2, so yes the ipad can do it.
if I would have told you(I did) that Auria was coming and it supported 24 simultaneous ins and outs, 24 bit, 64 bit summing engine, with plug in effects made by fabfilter and other comapnies, well you would scoff at that...yet its here, and it was said impossible, and damn it sounds good...is it flawless no...but its pretty damn sweet. Yes i can copy paste to and from it....who fuggin wants to keep doing that shit constantly. The effects in nanostudio shit upon the effects in beatmaker....when i ask other producers (in real life, not here in everybody is a effin pecker world) they all say the same damn thang...sharing files sucks ass and is broken(supposedly fixed but this is attempt 2), the ram limit is dumb (fixed if submitted), and the effects are useless....the filter isnt very good...it isnt deep...the reverb is useless at any setting under 80% as it doesnt generate verb till about that area and then its boooom canyon city, the panner could have easily and better been done in sequencing...maybe tremelo instead, the overdrive is the best of the series but it doesnt model anything...the bit reducer well its okay...the delay basic...i think the chorus sucks
In a real world intua is competing with other companies...and even if nothing is there right now...you can bet your asses something is coming. Auria has indeed set the bar for what is to come...what about the thing coming from the makers of impaktion, sunrizer, and isequence...the app that combines them into one machine...the effects in isequence are seriously better than many, sunrizer is in the top 5 ipad synths, and impaktion is about to be released and has some amazing features as well....
Beside guys i just got off of auria and i was using the plug in drumagog to replace/fatten my drums on a track...smh you dont make any sense to me forum dudes, you DONT WANT FEATURES...i didnt set the beatmaker2 price....i didnt say beatmaker wasnt worth 20 bucks...in fact if you go use your hater eyes and read...you'll see me in numerous occasions stating it is worth much more money than what they charge...and if they would add in app purchases maybe the money would motivate faster updates...as intua is an update 2 times a year company.
In fact if you erased all the effects in beatmaker2 i can still accomplish pretty much what the effects in it accomplish.
Without them...and possibly better in some instances
Im going to use fabfilter as an example for now as i am quite blown away by their stuff...
If we had a synth in bm2 like twin2
The saturn module
The timeless2 module
The microfilter
volcano
It would skunk what most daws have on offer...well 2 of those are already in Auria
Charge more for your app intua! In fact beatmaker 3! Or alas BEATMAKER PRO!
I think when talking to fabfilter earlier this week, they are looking for ways to enter the ipad world more...hmmmm
Here get in touch with camel audio...
Throw your effects away and replace them with
Camelphat and camelspace
Voila! Way better
Those two alone kill the effects section of beatmaker2
I like to have options when i make music fellers, i dont like to fugging imagine my tracks with effects and shit....wow that piano will sound good once i bitcrush it and run it thru a springverb....and those drums have a nice plate on the snare...all in my fuggin imagination...then i snap out of it and its just plain...with a bunch of export then import then tweak, then export then import then tweak...blahhhhhhhhhhh
Micgee$ I think I understand where you are coming from... It WOULD be nice stay in Beatmaker and not have to hop in and out of apps so much. But don't forget about Audiobus and how it will change how apps can interact (share audio etc./control another app from Beatmaker)
Annnnnndddd what if Intua looked at using this Izotope SDK stuff as an fx update.... <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.izotope.com/tech/izomobile/corefx.asp">http://www.izotope.com/tech/izomobile/corefx.asp</a><!-- m -->
Goddamnit MicGee$, you really need better reading comprehension. Nobody here is saying we don't want better effects. I'm personally saying I do want better effects, but I'm willing to wait a bit after the 2.3 update for Intua to work them out.
Patience is the key here. If some app beats Intua to having super awesome effects, there's no point in rushing Intua to include every feature you want while you call parts of the current app "shit." You sound really pushy and seem entitled to have a say in what goes on with BM2's development. But you don't. Tone it down.
If you love Auria so much, start sequencing your beats with that instead. Or, sequence with BM2 and then import your channels over to Auria for final mixing and mastering. If you don't have the patience for such a workflow, I don't know what to tell you.
Jogua, those iZotope audio effects for iOS are awesome. BM2 could really use the pitch shifting and time stretching algorithms.
Hi kadath, shut up...i didnt get the memo about you being my supervisor...
Anyways, I do use beatmaker2 and i do port everything to other apps....eff that!
YES JOGUA! You get what i am saying
Im like why the hell would you add audio tracks over adding new effects...i dont need audio tracks, i got auria, meteor, multitrack daw, etc... Beatmaker is for making beats... Which has nothing to do with recording audio tracks (cept maybe a guitar or something) but why would you pick beatmaker2 over auria? You wouldnt...unless you just didnt own it.
I havent deeply read about audiobus, but...if it about background apps...some apps dont play nicely together...alchemy and beatmaker2 is one example...too heavy, itll work...it renders clean, but when trying to record...yikes the noise and artifacts!
Kadath, you need to calm down....just calm down sir....calmmmm down (anger management the movie) lmao
The earlier references to auria was to point out that great effects were indeed a possibility.
Not saying auria was a replacement for beatmaker2.
80-90 percent of the draw to beatmaker2 is it akai-like beatmaking, and its sampling capabilities...not its daw potential.
But as a serious sound design sampler it lacks tools to be totally serious
A sculpting eq
Amp,cab,box sim
Convolution with user ir
Pitch/time/FORMANT
Granular editing
For example...kontakt, vsynthgt, alchemy, redmatica keymap, samplewiz
Gee$,
Let me pose the question- what are you sampling that you need so much fx processing?
Not denying that BM2 would benefit from it, but you've got such a hard on for these fx..
Btw I can't seem to get your soundcloud to load..
MSG me if it's still up
Hi kadath, shut up...i didnt get the memo about you being my supervisor...
It's a shame you're the loudest person on this forum, because it makes it a really unfriendly place to be.
Absolutely none of my post was written out of anger. I'm not sure where you got that idea.
You make post after post ranting about what you think BM2 should be, what it should and shouldn't have, etc. In the end, it's Intua that decides the direction BM2 goes in and what features get added. Plenty of people are content with how Intua is handling updates so far. You're the only one making constant demands about what they should be doing with their app.
Plenty of people have posted asking for better effects. You're the only one who feels the need to post time after time about how the effects are "shit" and "omg Auria's the best thing ever." You're free to do that, but I'll be adding you to my block list in the meantime.
Methinks someone has greatly misunderstood the actual computing power on the iPad (even after complaining about glitches when running apps in parallel).
V-synth is the best sampler? Fine, use one. To do the same thing on anything else would require Roland's R&D department, years of expertise, their budgets... and the dedicated DSP chips they've got inside. I'd think long and hard about development/implementation time, the purpose of the application, and limiting factors such as general purpose computing vs. DSPs vs. GPGPUs etc before making statements alluding that it's a click of the finger to get it happening overnight on a different platform. Here's an interesting read about just implementing real-time resampling, which all samplers do (and Auria doesn't), <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.jeskola.net/xs1/content/test/">http://www.jeskola.net/xs1/content/test/</a><!-- m --> , do you think that's just writing a few lines of code? Does that code come with low-latency and low-processing overhead?
Be realistic.
Also, professional producers use the best tools for the job, and don't mind getting their hands dirty. Not to mention a few classic tunes done on a MPC. I think you would just find something else to complain about after effects upgrades.
But anyways, I'm leaning towards the feeling that I'm either responding to a teenager either on or off on his/her Ritalin, a troll, a paid shill or just a bog standard cranky bugger.
Blocklist it is, maybe some constructive discussion starts to happen after creative filtering.
(Apologies for everybody for engaging in non-constructive behaviour myself...)
I don't wanna get into this debate, I'm not even really sure what it's about but here's what I'd like to see, off the top of my head:
•A better EQ, similar to NS but add another band
•More than three FX in a chain
•The ability to send to at least two FX channels
•Get rid of the decimals in the tempo. I'm not gonna make a beat with a tempo of 104.68
•When I'm in the sequencer, allow me to double tap an instrument to go to it, instead of having to exit to the home screen
I don't wanna get into this debate, I'm not even really sure what it's about but here's what I'd like to see, off the top of my head:
•A better EQ, similar to NS but add another band
•More than three FX in a chain
•The ability to send to at least two FX channels
•Get rid of the decimals in the tempo. I'm not gonna make a beat with a tempo of 104.68
•When I'm in the sequencer, allow me to double tap an instrument to go to it, instead of having to exit to the home screen
Good point- decimal places... I think they are there to precisely loop audio, but maybe it should only be in the dialog where we set the bpm for the sound file, and the sequencer could be round tempos?
The double tap (or however it would work) in the seq is brilliant.. It's a pain going back to open the instrument you're sequencing
It's been frustrating here in the piano roll- when I tap on the far left, i feel like the sample for that note should play... Wierd
Bm2 is absolutely STILL the best sample based app available I think! And although I still use Reason, Renoise, Reaper, and protools 8.0.5 on pc, BM2 still pimp slaps all of them for intuitive, powerful and fun sample based compositions.
I would simply like to accomplish a few things in ipad...
Since I do the bulk of my work in beatmaker2, I would like the effects to not make me swap samples back and forth from daw to ipad, as this takes the mobile out of mobile music making.
Audio tracks, although welcome, are not the weakest
Ink of beatmaker2... The effects are... Im not saying the audio tracks wont pose useful, because they probably will. I am just sayin (copy paste back and forth to auria to use effects) is doable....im doing that...but its inconvenient in the sense that processing outside of the app that you are using to make the music...does not always mean you are going to dial up the right setting without many many tries...
To those who have blocked me cheers, as i dont give one damn.
I believe the new update to beatmaker2 may stop alot of the noise and artifacts when using other apps in the background due to the fact that beatmaker will now stream samples from the storage memory instead of the ram...<!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->. To the tech guy above...arguing something out of nowhere, educating me on devs and stuff...dude if i was a developer, i would be working on my own shiit right now, for my own use... Yes roland has propriety chips...but they are wack...from the early 90s. Lmao. They are 300mhz...and the ipad isnt running anything but ios when extra apps are closed.
Thank you for the permission to use gear, and thank you for the education i didnt need...
I make money producing, so that makes me a professional...but thanks for differentiating that it is not even a possibility that i could be...
This is a forum, not the idol of intua golden goat praise and worship...ok? its a great app, but not without err. Anything can be improved, its called progress.
And i believe when new effects come...and they will...you who have spoken so boldly against them being implemented should NOT RECEIVE THAT UPDATE. Oh well in a perfect world...lol.. Sorry the Intua Beatmaker2 app isnt the best sampler goin nor is it a good workstation...as of the time of this writing it has a few things wrong.
i am very pro beatmaker2, i am responsible for 7-8 copies of it being sold that i definitely know of. I even own beatmaker1! This was a post by me...about what i wanted to see added to beatmaker2 next rip. Then a bunch of diks chime in because they are some fanboys or something...we dont want progress....never that...to them i say put down your iphone and ipad and go buy and Abacus.
I use the ipad almost exclusively at this point, although IF fabfilter puts out saturn and twin2 for ipad2, i will no longer use my daw at all...which is really so much my goal...using a pc/mac daw after using the ipad is just blahhhhhhhhh!
Ps...whoever made fun of Auria up there....you must not own it...
Wist simply won't work for me for some reason... Also when the iPad is master and iPhone is slave, transport controls over midi will not trigger the slave... I have to press the touchscreen play button...
Double tapping an instrument in the sequencer to access it is a really good idea.
NanoStudio has a feature where you can apply an effects chain to a single sample and render the result as a new WAV. It would be really nice if BM2 could do this in its sample editor.
On top of this, my already suggested features:
- parametric EQ (Multitrack DAW has a good one)
- better reverb
- stereo delay
- sidechaining
- better time stretching algorithm (DIRAC 3 LE, iZotope iOS)
- improved file management (ability to move and rename files, primarily)
Also, professional producers use the best tools for the job, and don't mind getting their hands dirty. Not to mention a few classic tunes done on a MPC.
The example I always use is DJ Shadow composing the whole Endtroducing.... album on an MPC 60 and some turntables.
Double tapping an instrument in the sequencer to access it is a really good idea.
NanoStudio has a feature where you can apply an effects chain to a single sample and render the result as a new WAV. It would be really nice if BM2 could do this in its sample editor.
On top of this, my already suggested features:
- parametric EQ (Multitrack DAW has a good one)
- better reverb
- stereo delay
- sidechaining
- better time stretching algorithm (DIRAC 3 LE, iZotope iOS)
- improved file management (ability to move and rename files, primarily)
Also, professional producers use the best tools for the job, and don't mind getting their hands dirty. Not to mention a few classic tunes done on a MPC.
The example I always use is DJ Shadow composing the whole Endtroducing.... album on an MPC 60 and some turntables.
This brings up two points that I am a bit confused about-
Side chaining- no matter how you look at it, this is a shortcut to mixing properly. Plain and simple. I think it's a shortcut for mixers mastering their own records.
The other is time stretching... Unless you are producing jungle or something that benefits from the artifacts, why do it? Slow the record down, or just pitch adjust..
Only the most expensive mastering software has acceptable time stretching... Even protools elastic audio is a joke. Yeah, it works, but the audio is simply ruined in the process in my opinion.
File management- +1000 This is one of the biggest needs for sure....
EQ - absolutely- we can use the filter + the EQ to mixed results, but a better EQ is def in order.
This brings up two points that I am a bit confused about-
Side chaining- no matter how you look at it, this is a shortcut to mixing properly. Plain and simple. I think it's a shortcut for mixers mastering their own records.
The other is time stretching... Unless you are producing jungle or something that benefits from the artifacts, why do it? Slow the record down, or just pitch adjust..
Only the most expensive mastering software has acceptable time stretching... Even protools elastic audio is a joke. Yeah, it works, but the audio is simply ruined in the process in my opinion.
File management- +1000 This is one of the biggest needs for sure....
EQ - absolutely- we can use the filter + the EQ to mixed results, but a better EQ is def in order.
I tend to sidechain basslines and kick drums to get a slight "ducking" effect if I feel like the bassline is burying the kick drum. It would be nice to have, but as it is right now, if I feel like the kick drum is getting overwhelmed, I just re-EQ the the two until I'm satisfied.
Time stretching I use pretty frequently on ambient samples. I produce dark dubstep and use a lot of heavily manipulated audio for atmosphere. My issue with BM2's time stretching is I've found that it has a strange effect on the stereo imaging and frequencies of certain sounds. These issues can happen with any time stretching algorithm, but I've found that the Hokusai app, which uses DIRAC 3 LE, has these issues far less often that BM2.
I tend to sidechain basslines and kick drums to get a slight "ducking" effect if I feel like the bassline is burying the kick drum. It would be nice to have, but as it is right now, if I feel like the kick drum is getting overwhelmed, I just re-EQ the the two until I'm satisfied.
Time stretching I use pretty frequently on ambient samples. I produce dark dubstep and use a lot of heavily manipulated audio for atmosphere. My issue with BM2's time stretching is I've found that it has a strange effect on the stereo imaging and frequencies of certain sounds. These issues can happen with any time stretching algorithm, but I've found that the Hokusai app, which uses DIRAC 3 LE, has these issues far less often that BM2.
Cool... Hopefully one day intua will make it happen...
LOl I know my master buss is always in the red in BM2.. Not a lot of headroom there!
Most of the stuff I'm looking for are addressed in the 2.3 update (retina, audio tracks, GUI improvements), so I'll wait for that before wishing for everything.
In saying that...
- A gate in the FX section, a simple threshold+AHD job would do (for me anyway)
I sometimes like to grunge up chopped samples by killing the original room sound with the envelopes and then applying some EQ/distortion and a short and blurry reverb and then gating that again to make it seem more (!) sampler-like. I don't think you can do this with the forthcoming input gate thingy.
- Sidechains
A "nice-to-have" thing for sure, but not crucial. I find that for quick and dirty ducking you can just buss your basses and kicks to the same FX buss and process that. I think a sidechain (compressor) with an EQ would be a bit excessive.
- iPod import speedups
Maybe this is already in 2.3... The ability to import only a section of a tune, to speed up editing when importing mp3s etc. To me this is _the_ killer feature of BM2, when out and about, listening to tunes on random, I spot a nice sound or a loop, make a note and then at the first opportunity edit and chop it up, save then upload to Dropbox etc.
- Clip/sequence launch / grouping
Think Ableton style scenes to quickly hash out a song structure. Maybe this is excessive and it probably would require a new screen to accomodate the feature, but having 16 pads, each with a loop/audio clip/midi sequence and launch quantization would be fantastic.
I was a beatmaker1 user when I had iPod touch 2g, so now, when I got iPad , I bought bm2
It's very interesting and powerful software...
But it seems that there is one big disappointment for me...
Yes, about effects..but not about quality..about control!
So, what makes me thinking about?
1) effects are for the whole sampler, not for each pad on/off
2) why don't put XY pad for controlling effect to the left while triggering pads by fingers as usual?
That two knobs for filter cut off / resonance is really bad.. XY coordinate window is needed for live performance , because rotating knob on touch screen is a bit useless while XY coordinate movement works much better.
You putted XY window in fullscreen mode, I know, but it s useless when there is no playback...
At least you should make not only that giant XY window on the whole screen, but for all effects slots together - in bm1 u had two effects together with control.
Just imagine - loop is playing, there is bitcrusher and delay. In BM1 I could change XY for delay by left finger and XY for crusher by right finger - simultaneously..
And in bm2 I only can change delay XY than switch to another... Pffff
Thanks , waiting for reply
Sorry if I am too harsh!
You know I love you BM2, but I've got a UI request on the iPad :
What would it take to get the transport and the whole toolbar at the top moved down to the bottom?
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After using the new auto-loop feature, I'd like to request some triplets in addition to the 1/4, 1/16, etc. Maybe get a 1/32 in there too.
Also, don't know if it was mentioned but saving effects chains (and the parameters) would be cool. and speaking of effects, the ability to change an effect, say a compressor into an equalizer, without having to delete the compressor first.
Audiobus implementation will be a must. I imagine recording Ampkit into the new audio tracks we're able to make now.
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Personally, I'm happy the way things are headed once the update comes out. Not that I was complaining before, money truly well spent, even without any updates.
But I guess one app can't be everything for everybody. Unless you want to end up with clusterf..., ehm, monsters that are most mainstream DAWs.
Surely people can use 2 apps in tandem if one doesn't do it 100% to their liking? It's not like in happy happy laptopland you get one (1) unified GUI that functions the same for everything.
just my .02c
This is the bottom line.
Bottom line.
Why you are so anti effects is just a mystery to me.
Why you dont want a sampler to have p/t/f manipulation escapes me...
The roland vsynth is one of the most badass samplers in existance...not the shitty mpc...
It has a processor that is completely inferior to the ipad2, so yes the ipad can do it.
if I would have told you(I did) that Auria was coming and it supported 24 simultaneous ins and outs, 24 bit, 64 bit summing engine, with plug in effects made by fabfilter and other comapnies, well you would scoff at that...yet its here, and it was said impossible, and damn it sounds good...is it flawless no...but its pretty damn sweet. Yes i can copy paste to and from it....who fuggin wants to keep doing that shit constantly. The effects in nanostudio shit upon the effects in beatmaker....when i ask other producers (in real life, not here in everybody is a effin pecker world) they all say the same damn thang...sharing files sucks ass and is broken(supposedly fixed but this is attempt 2), the ram limit is dumb (fixed if submitted), and the effects are useless....the filter isnt very good...it isnt deep...the reverb is useless at any setting under 80% as it doesnt generate verb till about that area and then its boooom canyon city, the panner could have easily and better been done in sequencing...maybe tremelo instead, the overdrive is the best of the series but it doesnt model anything...the bit reducer well its okay...the delay basic...i think the chorus sucks
In a real world intua is competing with other companies...and even if nothing is there right now...you can bet your asses something is coming. Auria has indeed set the bar for what is to come...what about the thing coming from the makers of impaktion, sunrizer, and isequence...the app that combines them into one machine...the effects in isequence are seriously better than many, sunrizer is in the top 5 ipad synths, and impaktion is about to be released and has some amazing features as well....
Beside guys i just got off of auria and i was using the plug in drumagog to replace/fatten my drums on a track...smh you dont make any sense to me forum dudes, you DONT WANT FEATURES...i didnt set the beatmaker2 price....i didnt say beatmaker wasnt worth 20 bucks...in fact if you go use your hater eyes and read...you'll see me in numerous occasions stating it is worth much more money than what they charge...and if they would add in app purchases maybe the money would motivate faster updates...as intua is an update 2 times a year company.
Without them...and possibly better in some instances
Im going to use fabfilter as an example for now as i am quite blown away by their stuff...
If we had a synth in bm2 like twin2
The saturn module
The timeless2 module
The microfilter
volcano
It would skunk what most daws have on offer...well 2 of those are already in Auria
Charge more for your app intua! In fact beatmaker 3! Or alas BEATMAKER PRO!
I think when talking to fabfilter earlier this week, they are looking for ways to enter the ipad world more...hmmmm
Throw your effects away and replace them with
Camelphat and camelspace
Voila! Way better
Those two alone kill the effects section of beatmaker2
I like to have options when i make music fellers, i dont like to fugging imagine my tracks with effects and shit....wow that piano will sound good once i bitcrush it and run it thru a springverb....and those drums have a nice plate on the snare...all in my fuggin imagination...then i snap out of it and its just plain...with a bunch of export then import then tweak, then export then import then tweak...blahhhhhhhhhhh
Annnnnndddd what if Intua looked at using this Izotope SDK stuff as an fx update.... <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.izotope.com/tech/izomobile/corefx.asp">http://www.izotope.com/tech/izomobile/corefx.asp</a><!-- m -->
Patience is the key here. If some app beats Intua to having super awesome effects, there's no point in rushing Intua to include every feature you want while you call parts of the current app "shit." You sound really pushy and seem entitled to have a say in what goes on with BM2's development. But you don't. Tone it down.
If you love Auria so much, start sequencing your beats with that instead. Or, sequence with BM2 and then import your channels over to Auria for final mixing and mastering. If you don't have the patience for such a workflow, I don't know what to tell you.
Jogua, those iZotope audio effects for iOS are awesome. BM2 could really use the pitch shifting and time stretching algorithms.
Anyways, I do use beatmaker2 and i do port everything to other apps....eff that!
YES JOGUA! You get what i am saying
Im like why the hell would you add audio tracks over adding new effects...i dont need audio tracks, i got auria, meteor, multitrack daw, etc... Beatmaker is for making beats... Which has nothing to do with recording audio tracks (cept maybe a guitar or something) but why would you pick beatmaker2 over auria? You wouldnt...unless you just didnt own it.
I havent deeply read about audiobus, but...if it about background apps...some apps dont play nicely together...alchemy and beatmaker2 is one example...too heavy, itll work...it renders clean, but when trying to record...yikes the noise and artifacts!
Kadath, you need to calm down....just calm down sir....calmmmm down (anger management the movie) lmao
Not saying auria was a replacement for beatmaker2.
80-90 percent of the draw to beatmaker2 is it akai-like beatmaking, and its sampling capabilities...not its daw potential.
But as a serious sound design sampler it lacks tools to be totally serious
A sculpting eq
Amp,cab,box sim
Convolution with user ir
Pitch/time/FORMANT
Granular editing
For example...kontakt, vsynthgt, alchemy, redmatica keymap, samplewiz
Let me pose the question- what are you sampling that you need so much fx processing?
Not denying that BM2 would benefit from it, but you've got such a hard on for these fx..
Btw I can't seem to get your soundcloud to load..
MSG me if it's still up
It's a shame you're the loudest person on this forum, because it makes it a really unfriendly place to be.
Absolutely none of my post was written out of anger. I'm not sure where you got that idea.
You make post after post ranting about what you think BM2 should be, what it should and shouldn't have, etc. In the end, it's Intua that decides the direction BM2 goes in and what features get added. Plenty of people are content with how Intua is handling updates so far. You're the only one making constant demands about what they should be doing with their app.
Plenty of people have posted asking for better effects. You're the only one who feels the need to post time after time about how the effects are "shit" and "omg Auria's the best thing ever." You're free to do that, but I'll be adding you to my block list in the meantime.
V-synth is the best sampler? Fine, use one. To do the same thing on anything else would require Roland's R&D department, years of expertise, their budgets... and the dedicated DSP chips they've got inside. I'd think long and hard about development/implementation time, the purpose of the application, and limiting factors such as general purpose computing vs. DSPs vs. GPGPUs etc before making statements alluding that it's a click of the finger to get it happening overnight on a different platform. Here's an interesting read about just implementing real-time resampling, which all samplers do (and Auria doesn't), <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.jeskola.net/xs1/content/test/">http://www.jeskola.net/xs1/content/test/</a><!-- m --> , do you think that's just writing a few lines of code? Does that code come with low-latency and low-processing overhead?
Be realistic.
Also, professional producers use the best tools for the job, and don't mind getting their hands dirty. Not to mention a few classic tunes done on a MPC. I think you would just find something else to complain about after effects upgrades.
But anyways, I'm leaning towards the feeling that I'm either responding to a teenager either on or off on his/her Ritalin, a troll, a paid shill or just a bog standard cranky bugger.
Blocklist it is, maybe some constructive discussion starts to happen after creative filtering.
(Apologies for everybody for engaging in non-constructive behaviour myself...)
•A better EQ, similar to NS but add another band
•More than three FX in a chain
•The ability to send to at least two FX channels
•Get rid of the decimals in the tempo. I'm not gonna make a beat with a tempo of 104.68
•When I'm in the sequencer, allow me to double tap an instrument to go to it, instead of having to exit to the home screen
Good point- decimal places... I think they are there to precisely loop audio, but maybe it should only be in the dialog where we set the bpm for the sound file, and the sequencer could be round tempos?
The double tap (or however it would work) in the seq is brilliant.. It's a pain going back to open the instrument you're sequencing
It's been frustrating here in the piano roll- when I tap on the far left, i feel like the sample for that note should play... Wierd
Bm2 is absolutely STILL the best sample based app available I think! And although I still use Reason, Renoise, Reaper, and protools 8.0.5 on pc, BM2 still pimp slaps all of them for intuitive, powerful and fun sample based compositions.
Since I do the bulk of my work in beatmaker2, I would like the effects to not make me swap samples back and forth from daw to ipad, as this takes the mobile out of mobile music making.
Audio tracks, although welcome, are not the weakest
Ink of beatmaker2... The effects are... Im not saying the audio tracks wont pose useful, because they probably will. I am just sayin (copy paste back and forth to auria to use effects) is doable....im doing that...but its inconvenient in the sense that processing outside of the app that you are using to make the music...does not always mean you are going to dial up the right setting without many many tries...
To those who have blocked me cheers, as i dont give one damn.
I believe the new update to beatmaker2 may stop alot of the noise and artifacts when using other apps in the background due to the fact that beatmaker will now stream samples from the storage memory instead of the ram...<!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->. To the tech guy above...arguing something out of nowhere, educating me on devs and stuff...dude if i was a developer, i would be working on my own shiit right now, for my own use... Yes roland has propriety chips...but they are wack...from the early 90s. Lmao. They are 300mhz...and the ipad isnt running anything but ios when extra apps are closed.
Thank you for the permission to use gear, and thank you for the education i didnt need...
I make money producing, so that makes me a professional...but thanks for differentiating that it is not even a possibility that i could be...
This is a forum, not the idol of intua golden goat praise and worship...ok? its a great app, but not without err. Anything can be improved, its called progress.
And i believe when new effects come...and they will...you who have spoken so boldly against them being implemented should NOT RECEIVE THAT UPDATE. Oh well in a perfect world...lol.. Sorry the Intua Beatmaker2 app isnt the best sampler goin nor is it a good workstation...as of the time of this writing it has a few things wrong.
i am very pro beatmaker2, i am responsible for 7-8 copies of it being sold that i definitely know of. I even own beatmaker1! This was a post by me...about what i wanted to see added to beatmaker2 next rip. Then a bunch of diks chime in because they are some fanboys or something...we dont want progress....never that...to them i say put down your iphone and ipad and go buy and Abacus.
Dubhaus
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I use the ipad almost exclusively at this point, although IF fabfilter puts out saturn and twin2 for ipad2, i will no longer use my daw at all...which is really so much my goal...using a pc/mac daw after using the ipad is just blahhhhhhhhh!
Ps...whoever made fun of Auria up there....you must not own it...
NanoStudio has a feature where you can apply an effects chain to a single sample and render the result as a new WAV. It would be really nice if BM2 could do this in its sample editor.
On top of this, my already suggested features:
- parametric EQ (Multitrack DAW has a good one)
- better reverb
- stereo delay
- sidechaining
- better time stretching algorithm (DIRAC 3 LE, iZotope iOS)
- improved file management (ability to move and rename files, primarily)
The example I always use is DJ Shadow composing the whole Endtroducing.... album on an MPC 60 and some turntables.
This brings up two points that I am a bit confused about-
Side chaining- no matter how you look at it, this is a shortcut to mixing properly. Plain and simple. I think it's a shortcut for mixers mastering their own records.
The other is time stretching... Unless you are producing jungle or something that benefits from the artifacts, why do it? Slow the record down, or just pitch adjust..
Only the most expensive mastering software has acceptable time stretching... Even protools elastic audio is a joke. Yeah, it works, but the audio is simply ruined in the process in my opinion.
File management- +1000 This is one of the biggest needs for sure....
EQ - absolutely- we can use the filter + the EQ to mixed results, but a better EQ is def in order.
Time stretching I use pretty frequently on ambient samples. I produce dark dubstep and use a lot of heavily manipulated audio for atmosphere. My issue with BM2's time stretching is I've found that it has a strange effect on the stereo imaging and frequencies of certain sounds. These issues can happen with any time stretching algorithm, but I've found that the Hokusai app, which uses DIRAC 3 LE, has these issues far less often that BM2.
Cool... Hopefully one day intua will make it happen...
LOl I know my master buss is always in the red in BM2.. Not a lot of headroom there!
You can see the new audio track in that screenshot of the sequencer screen.
On an unrelated note, PLEASE INTUA, ADD MORE SOUNDCLOUD UPLOAD OPTIONS! Attaching "cover" art in particular would be awesome!
In saying that...
- A gate in the FX section, a simple threshold+AHD job would do (for me anyway)
I sometimes like to grunge up chopped samples by killing the original room sound with the envelopes and then applying some EQ/distortion and a short and blurry reverb and then gating that again to make it seem more (!) sampler-like. I don't think you can do this with the forthcoming input gate thingy.
- Sidechains
A "nice-to-have" thing for sure, but not crucial. I find that for quick and dirty ducking you can just buss your basses and kicks to the same FX buss and process that. I think a sidechain (compressor) with an EQ would be a bit excessive.
- iPod import speedups
Maybe this is already in 2.3... The ability to import only a section of a tune, to speed up editing when importing mp3s etc. To me this is _the_ killer feature of BM2, when out and about, listening to tunes on random, I spot a nice sound or a loop, make a note and then at the first opportunity edit and chop it up, save then upload to Dropbox etc.
- Clip/sequence launch / grouping
Think Ableton style scenes to quickly hash out a song structure. Maybe this is excessive and it probably would require a new screen to accomodate the feature, but having 16 pads, each with a loop/audio clip/midi sequence and launch quantization would be fantastic.
Hey... one can always wish.
I was a beatmaker1 user when I had iPod touch 2g, so now, when I got iPad , I bought bm2
It's very interesting and powerful software...
But it seems that there is one big disappointment for me...
Yes, about effects..but not about quality..about control!
So, what makes me thinking about?
1) effects are for the whole sampler, not for each pad on/off
2) why don't put XY pad for controlling effect to the left while triggering pads by fingers as usual?
That two knobs for filter cut off / resonance is really bad.. XY coordinate window is needed for live performance , because rotating knob on touch screen is a bit useless while XY coordinate movement works much better.
You putted XY window in fullscreen mode, I know, but it s useless when there is no playback...
At least you should make not only that giant XY window on the whole screen, but for all effects slots together - in bm1 u had two effects together with control.
Just imagine - loop is playing, there is bitcrusher and delay. In BM1 I could change XY for delay by left finger and XY for crusher by right finger - simultaneously..
And in bm2 I only can change delay XY than switch to another... Pffff
Thanks , waiting for reply
Sorry if I am too harsh!
What would it take to get the transport and the whole toolbar at the top moved down to the bottom?
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Also, don't know if it was mentioned but saving effects chains (and the parameters) would be cool. and speaking of effects, the ability to change an effect, say a compressor into an equalizer, without having to delete the compressor first.
Audiobus implementation will be a must. I imagine recording Ampkit into the new audio tracks we're able to make now.