Beatmaker 2.4 feature requests.

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  • edited August 2012
    If it already hasn't been fixed- recording a stereo audio track... It will allow you to only record mono tracks to the seq window, but you can import stereo files and they show up as a stereo audio track <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->
    Also while recording when loop is on, the recording keeps going- we will need a loop record mode now that we've got audio tracks!
    Also file transfer thru iTunes. Absolutely essential, given dropbox's instability sometimes- and it is still picky about the number of folder layers etc.
    Call me old fashioned, but I get a better piece of mind plugging my iPad/iPhone in and seeing the transfer(much faster too)

    Beautiful app Intua!
  • edited 11:49PM
    Maybe this would require too much processor power, but true synthesis would be nice to have in addition to the sample-based synth...
  • edited August 2012
    Beatmaker Achilles Heel...The effects.

    Right now I dont understand your business model...
    Beatmaker2 is not a recording solution, but yet you have added audio tracks? Yet every fanboy on your page swears that auria and beatmaker are two different things...yes, they are! Auria is a recording solution that is miles above anything available for idevices as of now! Good luck kicking its ass, btw, RIM is one hell of a dev! Then you guys argue hey beatmaker only costs 20 bucks verses auria at 185.00 total investment...but i own it as well! So what are you saying...because intua set a more than fair price, they should deliver a halfass product?

    Their business model is to sell apps. By improving the app with updates, more people will be likely to buy it + good word of mouth.

    Audio tracks are an awesome addition! Doesn't change the fact that BM and Auria are apples and oranges!

    Completely different beasts.

    Nanostudio is great I agree, as you say it lacks the beat slicing features, among some others. That's an important feature for me. It also lacks audio tracks now. NS and BM are more comparable than Auria.

    How is BM a half arsed product? .

    With music production and recording, there's room for lots of software. They can all be different, some lacking certain features, or having their own niche...but they can exist and profit in the same marketplace.

    For me, Auria is a really cool bit of software...but I have lots of plugins on my computer, in a mixing room with good acoustics, and good equipment. I'd be buying stuff I'd already have.

    I would pay around $2 each for some better basic effects in BM though...if not - no big deal. I do processing on my desktop anyway. Give intua some time <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> they are not a huge team, and writing software is hard! They probably don't have any audio effect experts ATM, so they may even have to study up on more advanced ones.
  • edited 11:49PM
    This is my ideas about the differences...

    Auria - Something that I'd use to perhaps track a band demo easily, without having to move all the equipment into a studio. After getting the raw audio files I'd dump them to computer to edit. Far easier to edit audio in cubase where I'm comfortable...touch screen isn't great for fiddly stuff IMO.

    I like the idea of recording a band or something in different acoustic environments...Auria would let me do this.

    BM2 - It's like an MPC+. Great for music production, especially sample based hip hip. Far quicker and smoother than Auria (and auria doesn't do anything like sampler and drum machines, chopping) With audio tracks I can now easily track myself out adding anything to tracks - some singing, guitar, bass, hitting two chopsticks together etc. etc. - I could even record a full band if I really wanted to (although Auria would be better for this)

    No bit of audio software is ever 'better' than the other. They all have different workflows, features, prices etc. - some suit you, others suit me. I could pay 100+ dollars for Auria but I'd use it rarely (how often do you have to do a band demo?) BM2 is something I use all the time, great for improvising or coming up with ideas - can do 90% of a track on it if you want to - although I'd never mix or master in BM2.

    The point is you can make great music with all these tools. True professionals don't scoff or turn their noses up at software - because they know that great music can be made on anything. Has Auria improved your music at all? We have to keep in mind that people with a very cheap four track tape machine have made vastly better music than we could make on $100,000 protools studio. Not the tools, it's how you use them and your musical abilities/perceptions.

    Sorry for the huge rant!

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  • edited 11:49PM
    Since I own nanostudio, beatmaker2, and Auria...I believe I have either mistyped or have been misunderstood.

    I want to clarify something...I dont believe that Auria and Beatmaker2 are the same type of app, for those of you who believe this is my view. Auria is a digital multitrack recorder with effects plug ins...i was simply using auria as an example of...you can have more than 8 ins and outs simultanious obviously, and there obviously is a way to port vst effects to ivst effects.

    Now, why do I believe that recording audio tracks is leas important to beatmaker than effects? Well, thats kinda obvious as well...better effects can be used to process samples and thus give you an expanded sound design platform in the beat creation app BEATMAKER2, how is beatmaker going to dive into the multirecorder world first? So i got a bunch of folks on here hating because audio recording made less sense in beat creation than a revamped effects section...if you want to record audio...it would be more fitting to do so in Auria, which is better suited to this activity...unless of course you want to do it all limited for 20 bucks.

    Also Beatmaker vs mpc2000(hardware), this is a more valid challenge. I believe that intua beatmaker2 would win...why, super fast audio load, and a some effects and filters vs no effects and filters on the hardware unit. So 1200.00 bucks vs 20.00 bucks no competition.

    So does intua owe anyone a better effects section, the answer is NO. I am and have been suggesting that if they want to know what needs improved I believe the effects section is puny. Why you ask, have I harped on it? Easy...I am tired of copy pasting between many apps to do a single production...if we can lessen the amount of this activity...it will speed the creation process instead of fragment it. I think for my use, having an easier workflow in one app is a better beatcreation scenerio than some audio features i definitely wont use...as i have auria for that purpose.

    I happen to use beatmaker2 tons, i like it. It needs some fixes to make it more enjoyable and creative to use in my opinion. Maybe by the next version it will advance into an improved sound design experience? I think you guys are kinda jumping on a taking sides type vibe...i am not the enemy of beatmaker2, i just know as a producer what I would like to see.

    The compressor is not very good...sorry. The reverb ...try this please...add it to a snare or something and now use the fader to add verb...notice how it doesnt do much for 80% of the fader...then boom oververb...this is kinda wack. The eq is more like a three band dj equalizer...you cant subtract much with this...so it is not a sound design tool imho. You previously couldnt save effects presets...blah...why autopan its easier and more accurate to my experience to just draw the sequencer automation and get what you want. All stuff i have noted before...

    If you want to improve your app for sound design and sampling then this stuff really needs a look, if not hey your choice. I still use the app, but there are bad issues with files, and now the app staying in record until you kill it thus draining your battery...ty audio recording feature.

    Ty for keeping it free, and thank you for updating your app!
    I do love the quick load as this is a real improvement. Havent tried the new file stuff yet but will soon.
  • edited 11:49PM
    It is all about workflow and preferences...
    Nobody is right and nobody is wrong in here.
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  • edited 11:49PM
    I'm pretty sure Intua added audio tracks because people have basically been asking for them since the day BM2 came out. People just want to be able to throw a quick vocal take over their beats.

    Sure, Auria is definitely a better app for final mixing and mastering. Someone would be hard pressed to argue against that. I've been considering buying it just for the PSP master strip it comes with!

    I hope Intua focuses on effects for the next update. Better reverb, compressor and a parametric EQ would be great.

    As for BM2 vs MPCs — I used to want an MPC, but after I got BM2, I stopped thinking about that. Sure, the iPad screen is certainly no replacement for velocity sensitive MPC pads, but BM2 beats out hardware MPCs in pretty much every other way. Akai has definitely missed out. The MPC Fly is too little, too late.
  • edited 11:49PM
    Quick load is cool, the auto loop feature is cool as hell (don't even have to start the sequencer to compose), and love the audio tracks ( although there are a few kinks to work out)...
    But the more I use BM2, the more I am missing a proper compressor, EQ etc. actually if just those two were improved it would make all the difference. And I'm not talking about mixing down in BM2, but like MicGee$ has been ranting an raving about forever- simply decent fx for sound design and sample manipulation.

    Mpc comparisons- there is none for me. I will never buy an mpc now that I have BM2, albeit with my Mpd32!
  • edited 11:49PM
    Quick load is cool, the auto loop feature is cool as hell (don't even have to start the sequencer to compose), and love the audio tracks ( although there are a few kinks to work out)...
    But the more I use BM2, the more I am missing a proper compressor, EQ etc. actually if just those two were improved it would make all the difference. And I'm not talking about mixing down in BM2, but like MicGee$ has been ranting an raving about forever- simply decent fx for sound design and sample manipulation.

    Mpc comparisons- there is none for me. I will never buy an mpc now that I have BM2, albeit with my Mpd32!

    Great discussion here guys. I really love the MPC comparisons. The only thing missing being the pads can be easily remedied with an MPD, Korg nanopad and the upcoming MPC Fly hardware as well. The Fly will be core midi compliant so should work great with BM2.
  • edited 11:49PM
    I am still wondering why it is taking so long for the fly to arrive in store...wow!

    I honestly believe once the file system, new bugs, and efx are done beatmaker2 is perfect!
    It'll need nothing else

    Which is superdope!

    Unless of course you intua folks wanna put in some redmatica keymap type ish...i'll take that too <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->
  • edited 11:49PM
    I definitely think a tuner would be excellent! Thanks.
  • edited 11:49PM
    I feel like the iPad version of beatmaker 2 would benefit from larger edit buttons when they pop up... Along with the forward/backward slice selection in the chop editor... The buttons need to be a little bit bigger for old sausage fingers over here! <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->
  • edited 11:49PM
    I think some more sample utilities would be great..noise removel, click removel etc and better time stretching with tunal. Every time i time stretching a sample it always sound messed up?

    thanks
  • edited 11:49PM
    A very simple (and egoist) request: add the "merge selection" button to the pattern editor/piano roll. When I want to add a long note ("draw" -> "resize notes") the "resize notes" button always scrolls (and I lose a bit of perspective). For me, it would be more simple to use the "fill" and afterwards use the "merge selection" button <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->
  • edited 11:49PM
    For the record (or more importantly my 2c) id nt a more diverse and larger instrument bank to play with. I cant successfully connect to Kontact 5 so amd limited to whats in BM2 and any wavs I import. Id love to see some big cinematic sounds and strings to use rather than just the plain old three or four defaults. Id be happy to pay top dollar for in app purchases if some high quality samples were ready to use to expand your library with a click...
  • edited 11:49PM
    Using presets is nature's way of telling you that you'd prefer to date your sound.
  • edited 11:49PM
    Here are my two cents:

    - Ensure quick load can see .WAV files aswel as .wav files (at the moment it can only see the lowercase option)

    - FULL midi integration (we need to be able to control all the transport controls INCLUDING record please)

    - The ability to sidechain from a specific audio channel (this is implemented in sunvox and works perfectly)

    - Non destruct FADE in/out of loop points

    - The ability to move arrange channels/tracks

    - Better effects, mainly reverb and compression...

    All in all a top notch app, made the jump from Nanostudio for the mpc-like workflow, not looking back (although there are elements of nano that I still prefer).
  • edited 11:49PM
    "- FULL midi integration (we need to be able to control all the transport controls INCLUDING record please)"
    Transport working perfectly via my mpd32 over here

    Anyone else run into the other issues? (fx not included)
  • edited 11:49PM
    It would be nice to be able to export a BM2 project with the BM2 file and all it's related samples as a zip file??? with one simple export button.
  • edited 11:49PM
    Savage, I believe you can do that now if you check the box that says "copy all samples" when you do Save As.
  • edited 11:49PM
    I really need to get organized with these details-

    While using note repeat function in the record window, it won't respond to velocity changes..
  • edited 11:49PM
    Here is a quick list of requests... Taking into account some of the more recent ones as well.  I won't get into the fx issue (namely compressor and EQ.. And the lack of any limiter)
    The list is not comprehensive by any means....
    -need iTunes file sharing- FTP is very slow for big transfers and is unreliable, and Dropbox is about 80% reliable
    - Dropbox transfers need to disable sleep.. When the iPad goes to sleep the transfer may or may not work
    -make the delete (X) button larger, along with the rest of the tools
    -monophonic preview of samples. and possibly the ability to replay the selected sample when previewing without having to select another sample and come back
    -double tap track in seq view to open that instrument
    -every track in seq should get exported to its own file (choose mono or stereo in a matrix type screen). 
    -undo button disappears after I overdub midi on a sequence a couple of times.
    -It turns out I like having the decimal places in the tempo- but we need the ability to enter the tempo numerically from time to time
    -audio tracks need to record in stereo.. We can sample in stereo, so why can't we lay down some tt scratching in stereo?
    -need the ability to zoom in vertically
    -make the mute/solo  buttons in the mixer available to control via midi
    -must be able to arm/disarm audio tracks from the seq window
    -able to access the audio track "input bus" window from the seq window (already solved by previous)
    - need a loop audio mode- I understand why BM2 keeps recording after the loop, but we need to be able to have a record mode where it's basically a resample track and have it loop 
  • edited 11:49PM
    Really agree with requests above.

    I also have a suggestion...

    How about when i save something, bm2 asks me where i want to save it? I think this would address the file mess for now. I definitely agree about dropbox and wifi file transfer...they are lossy alot. Also as almost every music app i have does this, i know its possible...an (x) to wipe the text info out of the save box so i dont have to backspace so much...annoying as shiiiiit.

    Ever wonder why after all these years there are no patch sets for bm2? But there are for many other apps....yea...its a pain in the ass to make patches for beatmaker...not so much in the department of the building of a patch but transfering samples to bm2, saving things in the right spot, and by NOT MAKING your sampler a T/P/F engine...you have to use alot of samples which eats away at the space.

    Streaming samples vs using samples in memory is a "scratch your head" type of decision...new users will not grasp this at all IMHO. Kinda like the bounds editing of pads for newbies.

    Also i want to note in dropbox that it isnt straightforward loading entire content... You have to just feel the force...lol...in order to know thatis there...not intuitive at all.

    I honestly think that the addition of some kind of strip/pad like the imaschine velocity controller uses would be such a wonderful thing...i love this feature in imaschine...if you havent tried it you should. Adding velocity via sequence edit doesnt light a fire under my ass to sit and move little bars all day.

    Streamline the gui even further to get less scrolling and not so necessary screens out of the mix...there is too much go here then come back here go there stuff going on...and i feel its quite an issue over time.

    You still do not support user chords, keys, or scales? You still do not have an arpeggiator, you still do not have resampling to a pad or key?????? Why do you feel resample is unimportant? Its highly important especially in a limited set up.

    When building your new effects lets keep in mind that this is a touch screen driven system so traditional looking, feeeling, and working devices are not worthy...get creative. Stop making ugly big chunky radio shack rack effects with limited control. You must be just skinning the ios supplied effects rather than building them?

    Beatmaker2 is a beast in many aspects of ios music apps... But it falls short on many things that are necessary, and it falls very short on a few things that it shouldnt.

    User drawn envelopes vs knob control is quicker, and takes less space on your gui...why not give that a whirl. Sonograph sample editing would be a killer feature? Drawing fades? Autokey detection would be useful.

    To push a tab at the bottom that allows me to just touch the sequencer chunks and drag them super great!

    Bm2 has also been a bit more crashy latelly? Although i dont know exactly what caused it.
    I was doing lots of pasteboard stuff.
  • edited 11:49PM
    My new request:

    Add Sonoma Audiocopy. I know, I know, but too often, I can't get a sound into BM because the app I'm copying from uses ACP. So I have to copy it into NLog, then copy it from there to BM2.
  • edited 11:49PM
    Dam how'd i miss that!

    Not exactly what i want but will work. I want something that will package the BM file, samples and bounce song/tracks to wav or aiff all in one zip file............. Thanks jay.
  • edited 11:49PM
    I feel as though the iPod touch version of the program after the update is a bit more cluttery. So that would be great if this could be fixed a bit by making it so that it's not as cluttered. But maybe im the only one who feels this way. I also would like on the iPad app for the ability to switch between having a split keyboard and a single keyboard since this can be done on the iPod version and should be adjusted based on preference. I feel as though the split keys can look annoying and can be helpful at times at others not so much.
  • edited 11:49PM
    I just think the gui altho it looks good, is a little biggish on ipad and would benefit from max space usage
  • edited 11:49PM
    I just think the gui altho it looks good, is a little biggish on ipad and would benefit from max space usage

    Yeah.. It's "biggish" because its meant for live use..
    It's one of the reasons I love this app so much- it has a certain style that I love.
  • edited 11:49PM
    pls pls pls a vocoder.
  • edited 11:49PM
    What i mean by biggish....is the insane amount of home screen go between...how could this be useful in live performance...i have to surf too much in the app...its a real workflow breaker at times... Its not a make or break thing, its just a hinderance.
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