Cubasis for iOS is out!
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As I assumed, more and more of the "real" big sequencer companys jump on the iOS train.
Steinberg is a (or better: THE) primary rock in the history. I assume after some updates (they already confirmed a lot for the future - also audiobus)... Beatmaker will have a very hard time to resist in the market - particulary because BM development seems not very orientated to what musicians really need.. <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->
Of course I see the huge effort from Intua with all their updates, but almost every new implemented feature is not target-oriented. And the GUI is also anything else than intuitive (if I just think about the ADSR envelope in drum machine - EACH knob has it's own sub-menu?? <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> )
What do you think?
As I assumed, more and more of the "real" big sequencer companys jump on the iOS train.
Steinberg is a (or better: THE) primary rock in the history. I assume after some updates (they already confirmed a lot for the future - also audiobus)... Beatmaker will have a very hard time to resist in the market - particulary because BM development seems not very orientated to what musicians really need.. <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->
Of course I see the huge effort from Intua with all their updates, but almost every new implemented feature is not target-oriented. And the GUI is also anything else than intuitive (if I just think about the ADSR envelope in drum machine - EACH knob has it's own sub-menu?? <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> )
What do you think?
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I do not underestimate steinberg, but I've already invested on Auria as an iOS multitrack, and frankly cubases GUI has always looked "cartoonish" to me.
Also pay attention in the app description- it says virtual instrument sounds- that means it doesn't have a synth either.
You are trying to compare two different apps I think. That would make more sense to compare it with Garageband, FL Studio, Music Studio or Auria.
It's definitely a great product, however their sampling capabilities don't compare with BM2.
The "pads" are just a different UI from the keyboard, no parameter edition whatsoever.
Their keyboard sampler is really basic. There is no chop lab and I don't think they will ever add this one day <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->
Anyway, so far I think it's a good product -- the iOS platform is evolving a lot !
Cheers,
Mathieu,
Exactly. But those who are relatively new to music production in general don't remember a time when we used one thing for one purpose, and did it extremely well. The desktop programs over time have all morphed into this all in one mentality, so that's why people try to compare a sampling workstation to a DAW.
How many threads have we seen on the net over the years comparing protools to fruity loops or some other bs?
Ps- I think apple shot themselves in the foot by making logic so dumbed down the last 10 years....THAT was the quintessential midi sequencer.
For sure, it will definitely appeal new musicians and it's great for that !
I did start with Cubase a long time ago, and I learned quite a lot from it, I'm glad it's available on the iPad now!
Mathieu.
Happy to see some 48 track capable apps with good fx, but one does not get a perfect all in one app. Why limit yourself anyway with good virtual midi and audiobus enabling happening now. Pick a couple favorites. I dont want to see BM 2 get lost on trying to capture all the features of Cubase or Auria, and face it, they can't come close to BM 2 for a sampling station. Lets leave it separated a bit and use both.
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Same with Ableton. I started with it around 2000 - at this time it was an "audio only" program. But also Ableton liked to survive... so more and more MIDI support was added!
I'm sure that similar things will happen on iOS - call it Beatmaker or call it Cubasis.
This is evolution!
ps.:
I think in some way you can compare Fruity Loops with ProTools! Both has been growing to "all in one" music workstations - of course they are not 100% cloned and each has it's strengths.
I also think it's MUCH more better to have quality than quantity!!
On the other hand companies need to sell their products - so they often think that quantity is the key to be successful (and honestly I feel that Intua likes also quantity over quality).
Btw,cubasis calls themselve a"DAW"but has no automation at all.So,good to have them in the boat but thats an easy pass for me.At least for now <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->
With Audiobus enabled apps and virtual midi, it is possible to really take advantage of specific apps that excel at a specialty, then be able to get the best possible items to talk together and get a great end result. Be it live or recorded.
Time and time again we've seen great programs on the desktop get more and more bloated, which forces you to upgrade constantly. The computing power of an mpc3000 is laughable, but the timing is rock solid, and it works all the time. Lets focus on clocking precision, low latency, sound quality, and ease and speed of use. And skins. <!-- s:-) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:-) -->
thats all i'm talking about.Especially"sound quality".the PEQ was good start but all the other effects still need improvement.Thats all i really want for a more or less professional work.Nearly everything else i need is already there and for me it's not necessary to throw virtual synths in (though i would not say"no")I just mentioned that cause auria will get them sooner or later.
YES! you are so right.
BM2 is BM2, Steinberg won't come close to it
When the MPC Fly hardware comes out we need midi learn to connect the Hardware to BM2!
Oh, and thank you for re-opening my eyes to the importance of clocking!!
Thank you for spreading the word. Lets hope they day will come when I can salve BM2 to MPC4000 or Sync Gen!
Can i assign a midi button control note repeat?
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The more functions I can access from my control surface the better!
I think you misunderstood my post. I was asking why anyone would want to use a hardware controller to control a software controller to control a controller built into your app. For instance why you would run your mpc 4000 to control a program like TB midi stuff to control a program like BM 2. When you could just go straight from the mpc to controlling BM 2 and exclude TB midi stuff as a middleman. My point was that if you really wanted to throw in the middleman too, it is possible.
If you re-read my post you'll see I use an external controller for note repeat already.
I've tried using that same setup with success to control the drum sampler in BM 2 with tb midi stuff drum controller triggerred by my padKontrol and controlling Sunrizer with the TB midi stuff keyboard controller all from within TB midi stuff, but it seemed convoluted although it worked.
Core effects...why? They suck!
Price tag? 50 bucks? auria Pwns you Cubasis
Why are some of you guys in this forum so obsessed with "almost good"
stuff?
Jus curious.
Auria is getting audiobus and midi...so Cubasis is overpriced, and doesnt support virtual vst/vsti (coming to auria). The funny part of this is...cubase is where vsts got their start.
It isnt...
Not even a little bit.
Propellerheads and native instruments dropped the ball on ios! They will regret this mistake I am sure. Every time a new ipad comes out the desktop and laptop loses its grip on audio recording.
Could you imagine reason ios? A slightly limited reason on ipad...(ipad4 wouldnt have limits, and dont let these morons fool you, they just dont want to hire devs...reason works on a puny puny pc...theres no way it wouldnt work on ipad)
What about absynth on ipad... Or kontakt.... Or fm8... Or battery?
The most sad lack of on ipad is APPLES lack or developing for their own device? No logic ios? Wtf?
i like it but without automation,better effects (an eq with just treble and bass?Hello?Thats even worse than the standard BM eq...)or audiobus i'm not even thinking about a purchase.Not to mention the high price.Not worth more then 10,-€ in its current state.