Viking (Standard AU) presets
I cant use viking presets in bm3 in neither saving nor loading processes?! I contacted the developer who insists their implementation of presets is proper...they do show up in other hosts (garageband/cubasis), but still nothing in bm3? Or am I missing something?
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I use Viking every day. Just gotta program your sounds by hand. I also previously contacted the manufacturer. Hopefully BM3 will allow access to AU factory presets in the future.
The conventions for handling presets in AU are still maturing at the moment, and a number of developers have expressed frustration with Apple for not making the AU preset system better in the first place.
I did spot that the 2x Ruismaker AU drum synths were both recently updated by BramBos so presets could be managed within the plugin UI. I have a slight feeling this had something to do with the rising popularity of BM3
Perhaps the Viking dev (Blamsoft?) might consider a similar kind gesture to all using their plugins inside BM3.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/19428/viking-synth-presets-in-ab3
Indeed. Currently only BM3 and Audiobus 3 do not offer access to at least the Factory Presets. Although Apple says Presets are supposed to be handled by the host it seems there is still lots of (often valid) debate about how to properly handle it. I didn't want users to be victims of this unclarity, because that won't help anyone.
I'm just worried that all this 'free interpretation of the specs' introduces a lot of hit or miss experiences for the end user. Audio Unit plugins are still a budding standard, and if it wants to succeed it must offer a rock-solid seamless experience. Fragmentation will be very bad for the platform and hosts have a big responsibility in this because they have the most significant impact on a user's workflow.
Keep up the good work... and you can count on me to keep buying your cool stuff.
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That's because iSem has built its own preset manager into the plugin. Which is nice of them to do, but is actually the host's job (according to Apple).
Excited to check out your apps ASAP btw, they look killer
As a personal opinion: from my perspective a performer/content creator, resistance against AU presets feels like developer driven agenda against 'the man' and not related to user experience at all.
What sounds worse: recreating your patch a second time or recreating your patch every time?
I currently have printouts of screen grabs from Viking Synth laying around my music development space..
True, but I'm not sure what the alternatives are? We all freely interpret the standards depending on what's most convenient for us? What's happening right now is that plugins are adding preset managers to plugins (I'm guilty of this myself) while hosts are not even implementing basic access to Factory Presets. As a result plugins who adhere to the standards - like Viking, NFM, etc. - are considered broken and are expected to 'fix' their plugins.
It wouldn't be so bad if Apple hadn't made it so difficult for plugins to implement preset managers, but as it stands, it's a pain to pull it off right inside an AU (among other things because of the sandboxed nature of AU extensions). On the other hand, Apple has made it quite trivial to do for the hosts...
Seems like a feature that should be implemented on the host side...it is available in cubasis & garageband
Its difficult to get into production mode on iOS at the moment. It is an ecosystem problem and devs are put in the position to workaround the issue. That's bad. Would it be worth the effort to create a post (or repurpose this one) to identify apps that do work beyond the preset/state saving restrictions and those that don't? Not for negativity, but to point out the apps that can be relied on in BM3??
I'm going to ask @mathieugarcia to add a 'Compatibility' forum for hard and software.
That's a nice ask @5pinlink - no logical reason why BM3 could not help transition the laptop away from some rigs... that kind of thing is on the horizon. Back to earth, a list like that would be great
I have auria pro, but i dont ever use it...i dont have the other two apps
Hopefully the fact that they are moving plugin loading to the browser is a first step towards preset loading, of they get it working like Maschines browser it will be superb.
I agree that would be a great feature
If it has Maschines new prehear function too it would be even better.
Energt XT 2 early betas had a preview for VST presets in its browser, it was amazing and never released
There was a pref for a MIDI input to the browser, you could route it from any MIDI track in the sequencer or any hardware.
Click a preset and hear it in context or play it, back then load speed was an issue, now it is less important.