Midi control of mute/unmute /volume ?
Hi,
It seems I can't control by a midi controller mute/unmute/volume on the mixer of BM3, not even the master volume !
Am I wrong ?
Could it be added in a future release ?
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Hi,
It seems I can't control by a midi controller mute/unmute/volume on the mixer of BM3, not even the master volume !
Am I wrong ?
Could it be added in a future release ?
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I suspect it will come at some point, but because of the complexity of the pad/bank paradigm a good bit of thought will need to go in to it, simple MIDI control is one thing, but those controls are commonly feedback for touch and motor faders etc.
Well, I agree, but at least for the master, that shouldn't change too much...
With a good premix, and 2 midi controls on the master (volume - mute/unmute) that would cover 90% of my needs
I guess I might try to emulate this with an effect plugin...I can control the gain with perforator for instance, but it's not very clean and cpu consuming...
If you are that desperate, double click the volume handle on the fader in the mixer, assign a macro to the control, assign MIDI controller to the macro, obviously that can only be done on 16 channels.
Oh oh !! Great tip, thanks !
I've "migrate" one iPad from AUM+Modstep to BM3, that was my last issue...(I found a work around for the midi clock ATM...)
Will see tomorrow if it's stable with all my midi exports and playing with knobs...
Then I'll "migrate" other iPads...niaaaark
I perform live with BM3 and achieve full mixer MIDI control by hosting all my instruments inside a single bank and assigning macros.
@OscarSouth all your instruments in one bank ? You mean on each pad, one synth ? You may assign a different channel on each pad ?
Or I just misanderstood? And it’s a session with as many banks as synths ?
I still have nightmares about the first forum battle which was to use only one bank to contain everything. But I think I might be able to make that work now. Each pad can have a separate synth, with separate fx, and separate midi settings from the other pads in the bank. You just have to deal with only using one pattern at a time, with extensive use of that "keys" button in the pattern editor. And color code the pads to help keep them distinguished from one another.
@ronji hmm...but why would you want such thing ? Can’t you just select the bank you want, and voilà ?
Also, Remember you can layer patterns over each other Song mode.
But it's no fun.
So true! I want it to either work way better somehow, or I don't want it to be possible to lay patters over each other.
@crony I don't know, necessarily, beyond not having to switch banks to control the faders? @OscarSouth seems to be the main proponent of the one bank method, so perhaps they can elaborate.
@ronji I'll describe how I've go tit set up a little:
Pads 1-8 host two 'custom' instruments that suited being split up across four pads each.
Pads 9-16 are are mix of (mainly) BM3 sampler instruments and a couple of AU instruments -- plus a few exceptions (see below).
Pads 17-32 hold some particularly layered drum samples (a subset from the BM3 IAP ones with all the effects ripped out). I'd actually like to consolidate these to less pads, but I don't think there's a way to copy sample layers from one pad to another.
(below) I have a few extra instruments and some bus send effects on my second iPad, and MIDI is coming into both from externally (variety of controllers and a sequencer). I have some pads in BM3 just holding a single silent sample (mapped to a note that's never going to be received) which listen for the same MIDI data that's going to the other device. All devices are synced with Link, so I can capture my entire session in MIDI as a BM3 pattern (theoretically -- I prepared it conceptually and played a little but never really use that functionality).
More usefully to me than recording the entire rig to a pattern with one button is that I don't ever need to touch the device in performance to have full control of the mixer -- its all logically grouped to macros and assigned to hardware faders, and as it's all in one back it's always all 'in focus'.
@5pinlink tested, working, but just for volume as mute aren't midi controllable at all...
Yeah, Oscar!
+1 for the single bank workflow
Plus it’s so much fun to watch all your pads flashing as midi info comes in.
BM3 is rock solid for performance!
If there is volume CC control then you can make a mute button, just set up your MIDI controller so that the button sends the same MIDI CC as the mixer channel volume, the button should send 0 or 127 value, in effect it becomes a MIDI mute without ever needing the mute in the software to be CCable.
Yes we need CC everywhere, but that will work you round for now.
@5pinlink yeah...I know...hmm...need to set the volume of each synth also in that case...
I guess I have no other choice atm right...
I have no idea what you mean, i was just saying if you have MIDI volume then you have MIDI mute too.
All workarounds right now, but we cant have everything at once, unfortunately @mathieugarcia is only human and not yet cloned either, annoying but true.
No mute is not volume.
If you unmute at highest volume, you need to control the volume on the synth itself and indeed emulate mute/unmute by 0/127, that's what I wanted to avoid, because I have also a limited number of midi controls...
Too bad to see that's just 1 developper for such a big (and great) software.
Waited a long time before buying this app, to avoid such winning on forums...Anyway, I'll wait more...
Your buttons on your controller should have an editor, i only said 0/127 to show they are absolute, but it is indeed Mute, I thought you wanted to do MIDI mute performances, not sure how anybody could find mutes useful on only 16 channels otherwise ? 16 mutes is not enough for setting up mutes for a mix controller.
Anyway there is anther workaround if you use the sampler, just mute the volume in the sampler rather than the mixer, that way the mute is a mute but you mixer volume will remain relative, if you are using synths or audio tracks this wont work, sorry.
Obviously, using synths...🤪
I have editors for my controllers, just saying there’s a physical limitation ( regarding simply the total number of them...) and the ergonomy I’d like to achieve with them...
Thanks anyway
Unfortunately nothing is obviously, when questions are posted on forums, not all info is supplied so nothing is obvious, so posting workarounds is always ambiguous.
That was a joke...As "obviously" I was in the case your trick couldn't be applied, and I knew it cos I knew this possible workaround already...Was making fun of my "No luck for me on this one"
@5pinlink hmm...Sorry but I tried out the Macro control to control the volume of the master into BM3...And it didn't work...
I clicked on the volume, bind to macro 1, then going to midi list, assign macro 1 to a midi controller...It recognize it and save as the controller.
Then, using it doesn't move nor have any action to the volume bar...
The CC on the midi controller is a rotary, echoing 0 to 127 no problem...Works perfectly fine with AUM.
Am I forgetting something ?
Oh la la ...
It seems the master track as to be selected to let activate the macro...
Can't be that limited, right ??
Mouahaha...
As I wanted to make a mute button by redirecting all my synths to an Aux, then assign a Macro 0 to 127 to this Aux, I'm facing 2 issues:
1.As the Macro assigned need to be on the selected track, I can't control the master volume and get a mute/unmute at the same time.
2.Sending to an Aux does not allow to get the synth track of the master ! So I still have the sound going to the master as well of the send...
Hmm...That's really not super cool at all...
Unmute/unmute, that's okay, but the "Macro only active on selected track where the macro is set" is just very annoying...
Now you know why it was suggested to use a single bank, so that that bank is selected.
I must admit that combine patterns and synths on the same bank just blows my mind at the moment...