Kinda fed up with the Ipad etc
Finding it hard to invest the time into the Ipad anymore. My headphone socket seems to have broken after merely a year and half and well there appears to be no DAW capable enough to do what Ableton did over 10 years ago. Making jungle for example just seems a waste of time in BM3 as samples continue drift out of time and do strange things and then real time editing just isn't there. Sorry to put a downer on it but I'm just kinda fed up with it all. Still got love for Intua but reaching the end of my patience. :-(
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Send a video of the drift issue and someone might be able to help or yeah move on. No point in wasting time.
Sorry to hear you feel like this @The_Bro - but have to say - it's been the complete opposite for me.
I find BM3 really delivers more power and flexibility than any of the other DAW options on iOS, and I'm enjoying working with it more than ever.
It sucks if your headphone socket is really damaged, but I haven't experienced any of the 'drifting' issues you describe - and I know that me, and several others, are really keen to help you diagnose what is causing this issue. All we'd need is (a) a short video, (b) a detailed description of how the track is setup, or (c) a copy of the session with all the samples included.
Please do help us to help you before you consider quitting.
Make sure you get inside the headphone jack with a toothpick or something and get out any lint or dust. That can cause any port to flake.
And it's kinda sad you're gonna give up on BM3 because of a sample drift issue that as far as I can tell you haven't tried very hard to troubleshoot. The problem is either the sample, something you're doing, or BM3, and it would benefit everyone to know exactly what it is, and if it's a bug then it will get fixed if we can get more details.
There is no sample drift in B3, your sample needs editing.
That's my assumption too, unless proven otherwise
The fact that i posted a full length song from 1967 with a jungle beat on it (snow miser) and that barely drifted even when it changed by 5 bpm in the middle of a bar goes to say that there is no drift unless it is inherent in the sample, you and me both live on Jungle beats @ronji lol.
That has bit me multiple times.
I've yet to come accross a real sample drift in BM3 that was not caused by me.
Yo boss what is the sample that has sample drift? I have never heard of ANY daw that causes the drift to take place is it the off sync timing of music played live or recorded, especially tunes from back in the day. Let us know the sample so we can see but assuredly bm3 is not the culprit
What am gonna do is purchase Auria pro because they have sample warping capabilities which from what I gather is very effective to deal with such as sample drift, then load the processed sample into bm3. Bm3 is the only one from what I see of the major daws on iOS and desktop to not have this don’t know why but it is what it is
As for the headphone entry, I’d get it fixed but if ur really fed up then maybe going desktop production might be good for you or whatever route you choose
What is the sample that drifts off??
B3 can do earping, it just isnt as simple as placing markers and moving them, you only need time stretch for warping.
Well bro, if you can expound such a way to stead warping it would be greatly appreciated. Am really not interested in Auria let alone the cost. Aside from the to-be-expected bugs and crashes bm3, it is well enough for my musics
What other iOS DAW other than Auria Pro has audio warping?
If you mean audio stretch, then BM3 does have it.
There is some misconception with B3 users about what audio warping actually is.
It is nothing more than a really elegant UX for current tools.
Here is how warping works internally at a very basic level...
Cut a piece of audio in to slices, stretch those individial slices in to place.
That is all that warp editing/warp markers actually does, it just does it in a visually pleasing way by dropping markers and allowing you to use those markers to stretch the audio.
Behind that elegant UX is just audio slices stretched.
When you drop two markers (minimum needed for a warp) you create a start and end point for a warp, so to the computer, you just created an entirely new audio clip, then you stretch it, you keep doing that, viola, warping.
The elegant UX just hides away the fact that the computer is slicing and stretching.
Like i said, B3 has all the tools for warp editing, it just isnt as easy as drop markers and move them.
That does not mean we dont need a good warp marker set up, we do, but it still is fact, warp markers are a clever UX design of the current slicer and timestretch added to the timeline.
Now taking all of that on board.
1 load sample in to sampler.
2 Cut in to slices.
3 Save to pads or to storage.
4 Turn on stretch for each slice and manually size them (this obviously much quicker if each slices starts at grid) be it in the sampler or on the grid.
5 Change tempo etc and slices stay locked in place
What exactly are you trying to do ?
I may have some insight.
Thanks for mythbusting, Win.
Everything I need to do with my loops I can already do in Beatmaker - even if that sometimes involves a little surgery and mathematics. All that warp markers would add is speed and simplicity to this process.
I understand why people like it. It lets you easily hack the timing and groove of a loop without having to think about what is going on in the background. For example, dragging the snare "left a bit, or right a bit".
That was good thanks. I have a song from the sixties an old rhythm and blues track. After loading into sampler and playing back it ‘drifts’ out of time because when I Turn on the metronome you can hear that their is a misalignment between the metronome and piece of audio which begins to be heard after let’s say the third measure. Such has happened before but give or take a few seconds In any given sample based pattern or scene 😬.
To be honest, warp markers are amazing, but if somebody used it to shift a snare i would be snickering at them, slice and move or slip edit, anything transient dependant like drums, dont move with warping, you are saving time to make more effort trying to fix the poor definition of your transient later in the mix.
Honestly, I want slip edit way more than i want warp edit, when you have both and do a lot of editing, you realise that slip is generally superior in most circumstances.
Yeah if you have a sample like that, cut it to measures, use calculate tempo, turn on timestretch, bam its locked, if you create a pattern when you saved slices to pads too, it will all be sequenced and playing back too
@winconway
Thanks, really helps alot
S> > Bm3 is the only one from what I see of the major daws on iOS and desktop to not have this don’t know why but it is what it is
Cubasis from steinberg
Cubasis doesn't have audio warping as far as i am aware, maybe i missed the update though.
It doesn't have warp markers. It has time stretch. Their marketing has managed to confuse everyone to a point where nobody understands what the difference between warp markers and time stretch is (even though internally it's all the same engine, Elastique or whatever it's called).
Elastique is just a type of time stretch algorithm, in Reaper you can use a bunch of various types of algorithms for warping for example.
Elastique is just very popular on IOS.
Well Elastique isn’t just an algorithm, I’m sure ableton, soundforge, reaper etc would prefer to have their own in-house algorithm rather than having to pay a third party. Obviously it isn’t easy to create such an algorithms.
I was checking them out earlier last year and their App Store page said they had warping but I wouldn’t know officially
Elastique is just an algorithm, it is an algorithm (multiple algorithms actually, Beatmaker is not the high end Elastique Pro) for timestretching you Licence and implement in your software, Reaper does have its own in house algorithms and other 3rd party algorithms beside Elastique, so does the last version of Sound Forge that i bought, 11 pro i think.
Just saying it’s the most important algorithm out there. Lol😂
Its not really, it is just the easiest and possibly cheapest to implement, there are vastly superior algorithms, some of them even free or just white papers.
The problem is that timestretch can be done in a myriad of ways and some sound better on certain material vs others, some sound absolutely horrible but defined genres (Akais windowing, Jungle) so personally i would like to see a few implementations, how likely that is i have no idea.
I really wish IAP for features was on the table for B3.
@winconway i think we may have discussed this back in the day, but how does bm3’s algos compare to the others out there?
What you are saying does not make too much sense. You should ask BM3 developer on why he uses Elastique to give a better answer. Also you have time to reply to this post yet you can’t delete my BM3 account like I requested? Is there someone else I can ask to remove my account?
Come on now guys.
Surely we can have a lively debate about Elastique (etc.) without anyone feeling they want to leave the forum.
Yes, please contact admin, i still dont have time, however please dont say i made no sense when i typed verifiable facts, you are being silly for no reason.