Choke groups and auto loop behavior - fix?
Hello Intua Team. I use the choke groups quite a bit on the drum sampler and noticed that if you have pads set to one-shot and in the same choke group, the behavior is expected - that is the behavior of pressing pad A cuts off the sound of pad B.... but if you have both pad A and pad B in the same choke group and both set to auto-loop, then pad A will cut off pad B, but only until end of sample plays, then it will switch automatically back to playing pad B and keep switching with shorter and shorter switching times until it gets to one bar.
Would really love it if this could be fixed so the pad playing in auto-loop gets cutoff by another auto-loop pad in the same group and stays looping until you either toggle off or press another pad in the same group.
Right now I have to toggle off pad A at the same time exactly as toggling on pad B to get the behavior correct. This can get difficult if switching between two different pairs of pads in two groups or more than that and it is just about impossible as you have to get 4 fingers or more hitting at exactly the same time to have the two pairs switch off in choke fashion.
To simplify, test with a drum beat on pad 1 set to auto-loop at 4 bars, then another drum beat set to auto-loop at 4 bars on pad 2 and have them in the same choke group. Now set pad 3 with a lead loop set the same, and finally another lead loop set the same on pad 4. Put pad 3 and pad 4 in the same choke group as each other, but a different group than pad 1 and pad 2 are in. Now start a rhythm by hitting pad 1 and pad 3 at the same time. Switch to changing your rhythm by hitting pad 2 and pad 4 now. You would expect it to keep looping pad 2 and pad 4 until you toggle off or hit pad 1 and pad 3 again, but instead you will see it auto switch at end of sample back to pad 1 and pad 3, then keep switching in progressively shorter intervals until at one bar they switch back and forth.
The only way to switch and stay switched is to press pad 1, pad 2, pad 3, and pad 4 at the exact same time.
Would love a fix for it.
Would really love it if this could be fixed so the pad playing in auto-loop gets cutoff by another auto-loop pad in the same group and stays looping until you either toggle off or press another pad in the same group.
Right now I have to toggle off pad A at the same time exactly as toggling on pad B to get the behavior correct. This can get difficult if switching between two different pairs of pads in two groups or more than that and it is just about impossible as you have to get 4 fingers or more hitting at exactly the same time to have the two pairs switch off in choke fashion.
To simplify, test with a drum beat on pad 1 set to auto-loop at 4 bars, then another drum beat set to auto-loop at 4 bars on pad 2 and have them in the same choke group. Now set pad 3 with a lead loop set the same, and finally another lead loop set the same on pad 4. Put pad 3 and pad 4 in the same choke group as each other, but a different group than pad 1 and pad 2 are in. Now start a rhythm by hitting pad 1 and pad 3 at the same time. Switch to changing your rhythm by hitting pad 2 and pad 4 now. You would expect it to keep looping pad 2 and pad 4 until you toggle off or hit pad 1 and pad 3 again, but instead you will see it auto switch at end of sample back to pad 1 and pad 3, then keep switching in progressively shorter intervals until at one bar they switch back and forth.
The only way to switch and stay switched is to press pad 1, pad 2, pad 3, and pad 4 at the exact same time.
Would love a fix for it.
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If I want a pad to cut off another pad I have to change the polyphonic from the defaulted 16 to 1 so only one pad can play at a time. My confusion was thinking the mono polyphonic setting in the trigger section of the pads was the same as the polyphinc setting on the 2nd page of the bank selection section.
Maybe this will help you get the results your looking for or at least in the right direction.
The feature that is "X-Group" (the third page setting of where you set trigger type) is the choke group setting. If you have some one-shot pad samples, try putting them in the same "X-Group". They will cut each other off as a regular choke group is supposed to.
My problem is they don't do this correctly when set to auto-loop.
Polyphony should be separate, particularly global polyphony.
The X-Group type of setting is just one of the reasons BM 2 is the best.
I guess while I'm asking about this.....can we get a per pad quantize??? Pleeeease???
(Think page 4 of pad trigger settings, right after the X-Group!)
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Fix X-Group on auto-loop triggers
Add a big repeat button on live modes and a knob to address if repeat is 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32
Add pad sample layering with usual options of same time, round robin, etc.
Skins for drum sampler? (Just going over the top here - I think the UI of the drum sampler's colors are a bit drab, but honestly could care less if they were pink and purple as long as they had the features they do now. Features beat beauty any day of the week and you guys have laid out the options very intuitively).
Did I mention I loooovvve BM 2??? That its the best app around??? Best money I ever spent on my ipad???
Ok, that was pure suck up, but really, I am passionate about this app and all it can do. It has inspired me to make music again and it sat unused on my ipad for almost a year until I started tinkering with its potential because other apps fell short.
Repeat is a momentary on/off feature. The auto loop settings don't give what you need. Even setting auto-loop at 1/16 and changing to hold+loop (which is where you set the hold+loop time) does not behave the right way. There needs to be a button that is just a momentary toggle set to whatever timed note you can pick. I can do this using my Korg pad-Kontrol with the roll button and the x-y pad on the padKontrol to control timing of the repeat, but I would like that built in to BM 2 as a lot of times I don't have any external controller setup and just use the touch screen and BM 2.
Also, wouldn't it make sense to have a separate quantize for the auto loops?
Thanks Intua for thinking forward.
Learning new things everyday, thanking everyone for contributing to this forum.
thank you
You will hear the closed hihat choking the open hihat sustained sound so it cuts off the sustained ring (hence the term choke group - Intua calls this the X-Group). This is the simplest terms for a choke group and how it can be used in BM 2. Most drum sampler programs that are worth having a look at use choke groups for just this type of scenario. It can be used for much more though. Particularly with auto-loop pads, where one looped beat will cut off the previous looped beat like a beat change up.
Hope that explains it better.
Vocal samples - great way to chop transition on a vocal snippet set across multiple pads - like a glitched vocal
Looped pad beats, leads, basses - you can change the sequence of your song transitions easily by using a choke group to make sure that you do not get overlapping or mistimed overlap beats, leads, basses.
Sequencing auto-loop beats - so lets say the beginning of measure three contains a note on message in the sequencer for a looped drum beat. This will play indefinitely until a note off hit is pressed and a note on for the new beat change you are using on another auto-loop set pad with the drum beat change. Having them set in a working choke group together means you will not have to send the note off message on the first beat because the note on message for the second beat is choking off the pad with the first beat.
Play around with the one shot trigger and X-Group in BM 2 and you will see how it works. Works fine for one shot triggered pads. Just the auto-loop I would like to see fixed.
But seeing that this thread is now over half a year old, and nothing happened, I fear we might get neither.