why mute audio, not sequence?
well after the initial excitement, i've got to say there is one thing i just don't get with this app.
on the trigger pads there's a mute option. but what does it do? it mutes audio. why mute the audio
instead of it muting sequence data being put out?
i've never used anything that works like this, hardware or software.
when you mute a pattern it abrupty cuts off the audio. no tails, just cuts it dead. so for live performance on the pads un/muting, mixing up your patterns, build things up etc this feature is useless.
i thought i'd try IAA. Does extantly the same thing by abruptly cutting the audio, but worst still the sequencer keeps putting out the midi?!! i just don't get it
why have the feature on the trigger pads? they are for playing live, either on screen or with a mapped controller. an audio mute button else where, for sure, but not on the trigger pads. the mute on the trigger pads 'normally' stops midi being sent but keeps the transport cycling, enabling you to mute a track and keep your audio tails.
i'm totally crest fallen 
this is a lush app
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I think the core 'problem' here is the the fact that the mute & solo buttons in the perform view are linked with the mixer. An option here would be a toggle that disables the connection between mixer and perform view.
This could be a side-effect of optimisation (ie. do not process muted tracks).
In practice when this 'option' is enabled mute would simply stop reading events from the sequencer and keep the audio for the pad running?
A side-effect here could be that note-off events could 'get lost' and cause hanging notes...
When sequencing 'one shots' this shouldn't cause any problems as they don't need 'note off' events.
@Heyez yeah, i will do. not too hopeful, tho. they seem like they've got a lot on their plate at the mo. why not just mute the midi?? can't even use it with external gear cos of that. christ, i've never been this upset since my hamster pingpong died. sadness covers the sky...again
@samu In practice when this 'option' is enabled mute would simply stop reading events from the sequencer and keep the audio for the pad running?
that would be dependant on what people would be after- either hold or one shot. there is also the envelope? i think the sampler is really great but the sequencer is what i find unworkable. the reason i'd asked you about owning an E2 is that you would understand how this works because i was hoping for a work-around.
muting the pads keeps the sequencer cycling but stops the sequencer sending out CC's, presumably with a note off when muted. same with all sequencers, whether it's muting midi tracks in a DAW like cubasis or using a novation circuit/electribe.
i don't know really.
as a sampler then its fair enough that it does that. but as a sequencer for IAA or eternal gear , it just doesn't work for live stuff. everything just being abruptly stopped like that sounds terrible! i've got an analogue synth which i don't want to have to send thru bm3 to mute and have digitised too. another button on the performance bank page for mute/midi??
I'm pretty sure @mathieugarcia has a solution for this...
(I have no clue on the priorityorder but I do know there is a LOT of cool stuff in the pipe).
A big +1 on this. Mute on a pad should cause it to stop sending notes, not mute the sound. Mute on the mixer should mute the audio, not affect notes. Basic. Needed.
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pretty surprised that more people don't get this and have just let it pass. Maybe it's not so important for some peoples' work flow or ..?
got to say that being able to mute midi lanes of a sequencer and cut off note/ cc's is not a niche thing- it's fundamental to every DAW.
muting audio from external sources like hardware or other apps while continuing to send them note/cc's is not only a waste of resources such as cpu/ram/polyphony, it's just plain inelegant.
probably a bit like driving a car that doesn't have brakes fitted, so when you need to stop you just have to crash in to something firmly rooted to the ground... like a big tree or a brick wall.
+1 for the right to choose
It seems logical to me to have a mute button on the sequencer to actually mute the patterns, not the audio.
Anywhere else in the app, it should mute the audio (perform/pads and mixer).
It sounds like a good compromise like this ?
Cheers!
Mathieu.
"28, Mute for patterns in song view. Individual Pattern mutes.
@vincent said: Pretty advanced but why not (maybe not needed if we put back multiple tracks per Bank)"
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Don't think it's too advanced, that's how BM2 mute button on the sequencer worked :-)
Yep! And by the way 'we' are advanced, it's slowly catching up with 'us'. :-)
Great!
King
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hi @mathieugarcia 'sounds like a good compromise like this ?'
with focus action
yep, that would be really great. thanks
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It seems logical to me to have a mute button on the sequencer to actually mute the patterns, not the audio.
Anywhere else in the app, it should mute the audio (perform/pads and mixer).
It sounds like a good compromise like this ?
Cheers!
Mathieu."
At the moment it seems like the Bank's global fx tails continue after a pad is muted. But any 'individual pad' fx are killed. Ideally both bank global fx + individual pad fx tails would survive pad mutes
Also there's a very small but noticeable fade out when muting pads (most noticeable non-drum samples). It should be an instant mute for the actual sample I think? With only fx tails remaining.
There is a hard limit of 8 sends too, just an FYI
are we calling this request still open, because the MIDI mute implemented in 3.0.3 is MIDI data, not pattern data, so it will mute external instruments, but it will not mute internal instruments e.g AUs or the sampler.
yes, definitely open! These two discussions are requesting the same mute functionality:
https://intua.net/forums/discussion/5291/midi-mute-for-pad-pattern-and-notes-within-pattern#latest
https://intua.net/forums/discussion/5312/what-does-this-mean#latest
@5pinlink said:
i'd still love an actual proper mute feature that is usable. i don't know if you tried the new feature and found any use for it. i can't imagine what it could be used for, certainly not for getting busy on the pads. when a pad is muted bm3 doesn't not send out notes off messages. good for having a load of stuck notes.
seems the 4x4 aren't what you think they're for.