APC40/Other/iPad Users Templates for BM3 (V1.2 available now!)

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  • @GusGranite said:
    @mefisme thanks - Amazon had one for $115 US for a day so couldn't resist. I'll try to create some BM3 templates as well when it gets here.

    As I have mentioned to a few other community members, this template even though specific to APC40, is still highly functional for all touch users/other controllers. Just needs a few changes to the banks.

  • @GusGranite you also won’t be DAW-locked with the Novation and will be able to change internal midi assignments. That’s a good thing. the APC40 is locked from internal assignment.

  • edited December 2017

    Resources folder in the APC40 template will now include a custom metronome bank you can load for custom metronome sounds. I’ve included one I’ve designed. Much thanks to @5pinlink for his tips, knowledge and suggestion. Essentially allows you to record/practice/perform to polyrhythms, 1/8, 1/16 click speeds. Great for finger drumming, foot switch performance, electronic drum pads.

  • Have they changed the drivers on the MKII ?
    MKI needed to have automap and proprietary drivers installed.

  • edited December 2017

    @5pinlink said:
    Have they changed the drivers on the MKII ?
    MKI needed to have automap and proprietary drivers installed.

    APC series do not require any drivers. They normally require Ableton. That’s it. In Beatmaker 3’s case, no Ableton required.

    EDIT - This is what I mean by Akai DAWlocking the APC series. They don’t want you changing firmware modes outside of Ableton. This template is using ‘DemoMode’ (the same mode when you plug up the controller to a pc/Mac without opening up Ableton or when you first turn the controllers power on.

  • Sorry i was replying to the previous page, the MKII Novation not APC ;)

  • edited December 2017

    @5pinlink said:
    Have they changed the drivers on the MKII ?
    MKI needed to have automap and proprietary drivers installed.

    @GusGranite might want to find out this info before planning to use it with iOS!

  • @GusGranite @5pinlink just looked it up. Requires drivers and additional software. Not core compliant. It’s not going to work on iOS. :(

  • Yeah i feared that would be the case.

  • Well I admit I am a complete noob at any sort of hardware beyond the iPad but a couple of others said it works ok. I just think you cannot use the Automap software with the iPad and have to program templates from scratch. We’ll see. Gonna do some more research. It’s amazon so can always return it if I find out it’s not compatible. Cheers for the advice guys.

  • edited December 2017

    @GusGranite said:
    Well I admit I am a complete noob at any sort of hardware beyond the iPad but a couple of others said it works ok. I just think you cannot use the Automap software with the iPad and have to program templates from scratch. We’ll see. Gonna do some more research. It’s amazon so can always return it if I find out it’s not compatible. Cheers for the advice guys.

    Scares me every time I see someone get excited about using a controller with iOS. Just looking out for ya bud. Just in case.

  • This guys uses an iRig MIDI but in the comments he says you can just use a CCK to hook up the SL MKii to an iPad. Fingers crossed...

  • It is listed as not class compliant, but that is not to say that Novation could easily have done a firmware update and online info is out of date.

  • edited December 2017

    Keeping aux fx and kill bank. Premapped is going. Think I'll keep the meters at -6.0db. This will give plenty of headroom for effects and use independent gain control to boost signal.

  • Anybody know what the DB loss is after a Resample to a pad?

  • Do you mean why is it getting quieter ?
    Pan law, there is a thread about it from a couple weeks back.

  • edited December 2017

    @5pinlink said:
    Do you mean why is it getting quieter ?
    Pan law, there is a thread about it from a couple weeks back.

    Yes, it's quieter. I'll try to find the thread and research it. You can resample to audio tracks without this.

    I'm already predefining the volume controls to -6db to leave headroom for the effects/auxes or independent gain controls someone might set so an user doesn't crush the Dynamics of any songs they create with this. @5pinlink is that a bad idea in practice at least in a fader controlled mix? Or am I like way off? Im kinda setting this up as a premastered environment. I've always been used to mixing at -6db or lower. I'm getting myself confused I think. The independent gain control when a sample is loaded and dependent on a person's default pad gain settings is going to either make or break this. I guess I need clarification as to how the gain control functions on a sample. If the default gain for a sample is -6.0db. How is that relative to the faders? Are they the same. I know I'm not being clear headed here.

  • edited December 2017

    Yearly wipeout.

  • @StudioES said:
    @mefisme You remind me of lots of other questions: gain/volume, log/linear/expo/audio-taper/Fletcher-Munson curves, and how they all work together within all of the gain structures. Then there's all the different types of distortion that happens when it ain't working together ideally (like a boatload of digital synths).
    Not a scientist, plus samples vary in volume and also perceived volume based on frequency content, midrange-tones seem louder to humans, blah blah sorry...

    Can't the users just adjust the Pad Default Gain, to keep it simpler for you? o:) You're doing the hard work here.

    No I'm sorry. I'm trying too hard I think.

  • @StudioES the idea yes is to make it so no one has to do fader adjustments at all. And do all their gain adjustments independently. So ive got all pads in the template mapped to one macro with a reversed min/Max and no higher volume than -6b. This I thought would be the best strategy for mixing. I'm sorry for being too techy. I need to just release and go make music. Lol.

  • edited December 2017

    Yearly wipeout.

  • @StudioES said:
    It's like giving away money for free, but some takers are like, "Naw bro, I need it all in ones so I can use it at the strip club..."
    Well, not such a good analogy.
    We definitely do appreciate what you're doing, but once you release, people gonna have lots of suggestions, so I get why you're asking now. They can be changed though right? Sorry for butting in haha!

    Oh yeah. Next BM3 update will probably break it. Lol. I think I'm gonna leave everything unmapped. It's probably for the best. I'm gonna even leave the auxes empty. I'm ready to get this out there.

  • My take on this is simple.
    Give a man a fish and he stinks for one day, teach him how to fish and he wreaks forever.
    So rather than get everything super simplified in your template, just give some instructions about modifying as needed.

  • @5pinlink @StudioES I appreciate you both very much. Your input has helped. I figured everything out. It’s going to behave as intended. Keeping the faders mapped. Making is simpler for users to modify or delete rather than build. I am happy just a tedious process for me. Lol

  • Final design is completely finished! Will be posting the final screenshots and hopefully release by this evening US CST. The manual and videos will come slowly after release and hopefully all that finished by new year.

  • Template has been uploaded. Sorry it took so long. Suggestions welcome!

  • I haven't had the chance to get the new focus action map images posted., So here's some quick info:

    • Select Bank (track selection ) is turned off by default when you first turn on your APC40. Just turn the bank lockout knob (knob 8 under device control) to turn bank selection on per bank. If that makes sense.
    • the master has repeaters on knobs 1-4 currently) knobs 5-8 are macros 5-8.
    • fast knobs are currently under track control( knobs 5 - 8) macros 1-4 are in track control (knobs 1-4)
    • the fade kill mix tool is on the master fader (now macro 16, 8 is unassigned) set up inverted so the control doesn't get in the way of the reminder knob (infinite encoder)
    • the trigger bar will return under clip stop through a separate focus action download for FOCUSED BANK users. As soon as I post, it will be available in the downloads section.
  • @hansjbs said:
    Great stuff. What about the newer APCs?

    You can remap this template to the newer APCs. :)

  • edited December 2017

    Yearly wipeout.

  • @StudioES said:
    Massive! Can't wait to see this in action.

    For those that don't have an APC40 or don't want to just use the template with their iPad, here's the smallest empty.wav file (58bytes) for download:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/aqnhcgnhl1ohrs2/Empty.wav?dl=0

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